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Biologists Create Genetic Map of Europe

Death Metal Maniac brings us a story from the New York Times about a team of scientists who were able to relate genetic differences to geographical origins. Countries such as Germany, Austria, and France occupy the central area of the genetic map, with Italy, Finland, and the UK being relative outliers. Quoting: "All the populations are quite similar, but the differences are sufficient that it should be possible to devise a forensic test to tell which country in Europe an individual probably comes from, said Manfred Kayser, a geneticist at the Erasmus University Medical Center in the Netherlands. ... Genomic sites that carry the strongest signal of variation among populations may be those influenced by evolutionary change, Dr. Kayser said. Of the 100 strongest sites, 17 are found in the region of the genome that confers lactose tolerance, an adaptation that arose among a cattle herding culture in northern Europe some 5,000 years ago." Update: 08/16 15:11 GMT: Reader iminplaya points out the source article, which contains the technical details behind the study.

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  1. Accuracy of map? by SystematicPsycho · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The map should have included Russia and other Eastern European areas. Also, one thing that makes me skeptical of the maps accuracy is there doesn't appear to be an overlap between EL and IT2.

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    1. Re:Accuracy of map? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Greece and Italy are near each other, but do not overlap.
      Not terribly surprising as Greece was conquered by the Ottoman Empire and Italy was not, therefore having more of an East European and Arab influence.

  2. Italian by seyyah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article is quite light on details, but instead of the Alps, couldn't the reason for the Italian blob being outside the rest of Europe have more to do with it having absorbed a significant Arab/Berber population from North Africa?

    The Iberian peninsula is also cut off by mountains but it sits in nicely with the rest of Europe. Of course Spain also had its Berbers and Arabs but kicked them - and the Jews - out rather successfully in 1492.

    1. Re:Italian by zebul0n · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Renaissance did not happen in Sweden, but rather in Italy in the 15th century for one reason: it is closer to the Arab World, which was much more advanced than Europe (Middle Ages...).

      I think we cannot exclude a genetic mix as well during that time, although today's History tends to occult such a thing (genetics will probably prove it)...

      Z.

  3. Re:oh dear by M.+Baranczak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's nice to think so, but it wouldn't have made any difference. A "great ideology" never lets facts get in the way.

  4. Re:Misleading title by tietokone-olmi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It also ignores the distinct ethnic groups (e.g. the different groupings of Sami) present in Norway, Sweden and Finland and apparently completely omits Iceland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Ukraine and other countries that're at least as far east as Finland.

    As an amateur with no competence in this stuff whatsoever, I'd say that Finland's outlier status on this diagram follows the sample. The not so nice part is of course that now the papers are going to pronounce Finns as some kind of freaks in Europe, when (as you said) this study excluded a significant chunk of European peoples.

  5. Re:The Clash of Civilizations by greg_barton · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The future will be determined by the struggle for these organic nations to define themselves.

    Nice try, but you should have just said RAHOWA and gotten it over with.

  6. Re:Burnitdown made it up by DavidShor · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Skin color is obvious enough. The problem is that people try to extend this to intelligence, and use a remarkably dishonest and simplistic biology to reinforce their preconceived notions about race.

    The truth is, human beings are remarkably interbred(As long as you are not from the Andaman islands, you likely have a much much closer common ancestor with a Chinese person than you think), and even without that, we branched off into respective continents very recently.

    At the same time, intra-race variations usualy are a lot more signifigant then inter-race ones. I recall a study showing that the Scott's and Irish on average, show much lower IQ scores then the English. Yet racists tend to ignore that.

    Outside of traits like Lactose intolerance, I don't think genetic variation between races is particularly relevant. And if someone wants to "bravely" point out the results of flawed studies, they are being dicks.

    *Disclaimer: Speaking as Moroccan*