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Software Logging Schemes?

MySkippy writes "I've been a software engineer for just over 10 years, and I've seen a lot of different styles of logging in the applications I've worked on. Some were extremely verbose — about 1 logging line for every 2 lines of code. Others were very lacking, with maybe 1 line in 200 devoted to logging. I personally find that writing debug and informational messages about every 2 to 5 lines works well for debugging an issue, but can become cumbersome when reading through a log for analysis. I like to write warning messages when thresholds or limits are being approached — these tend to be infrequent. I log errors whenever I catch one (but I've never put a 'fatal' message in my code, because if it's truly a fatal error I probably didn't catch it). Recently I came across log4j and log4net and have begun using them both. That brings me to my question: how do the coders on Slashdot handle logging in their code?"

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  1. What do you want to achieve... by AaronLawrence · · Score: 5, Informative

    As usual, "it depends" on what you are trying to achieve. Nobody can give you a blanket recommendation. But I guess in general: the log files need to give you enough information, that can't be got in other ways, to solve any problem that comes up.

    We have a realtime product that goes all over the world and talks to hardware that we can't always get access to ourselves. Therefore, we sometimes must debug our code remotely. Obviously, logging is critical to this. We keep sometimes hundreds of MB of logs and have archiving rules and a tool for users to collect them. Every layer of the system keeps it's own logs, and all logs have timestamps to milliseconds.

    In our case we log all the data back and forth, and then every important decision the code makes. For example if it decides there is something wrong with incoming data, it must log that. Any action it decides to take must be logged. Any data that will be passed on to other layers/the outside world must be shown. Generally, whenever we forget to log some of this data we will later regret it ("why the hell is it ignoring that device state..."). We also log at startup, basically the whole system configuration so that we can reproduce it.

    Callstacks when there is an exception can be very useful. However, a lot of "errors" (at least in our case) are not exceptions but rather unexpected data or behaviour. We rarely have a crash and in state-based systems a callstack doesn't tell you much about what's going on. So a callstack is not useful for all situations.

    Other times, you just want logging to give you a clue where in the code it was so you can run up the debugger and step through it (you do know how to step through code in the debugger, right?). In that case, too much logging can just get in the way. It might be sufficient in a GUI or web app to say which screen/page and which button was clicked.

    You'd hope users could report this kind of details, but not always: if the user is working in another language, in another country, with two layers of helpdesk between you and them, and they are busy doing other things when the problem occurs and only call in the issue an hour later, and the helpdesk takes a week to report it to you - you may just get a vague or even misleading report that no-one can remember when you ask questions. In those cases log files may be all you have to go on.

    There is also a tradeoff between log detail and manageability. Besides the difficulty in reading long log files, having a lot of detail means maintaining a lot of extra code. It also means that log files can become unmanagably large. In our case those hundreds of MB of logs can be a huge problem for customers to send to us because they have low quality internet connections (small companies in Mexico for example).

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    1. Re:What do you want to achieve... by ericfitz · · Score: 5, Informative

      +1 for parent.

      If you want good logging, then define requirements for it, just as you would for any other feature of the program. You also need to define the audience for the log. The comments thread has focused on debug logging for developers (Linus "no debuggers" Torvalds would be proud) but there are a number of reasons why the users who are stuck^h^h^h blessed with your software might want logging. For instance:

      - audit trails (often required by organizational security requirements or regulatory requirements)
      - accounting/billing (you'd be amazed at the odd ways people come up with to bill for things)
      - health monitoring (the admin might not want to watch your program 24x7 to see if it is running; they might want to program automation to be alerted when it is not working properly)
      - troubleshooting (believe it or not, your software might actually break when running in the wild)

      Anyway, think about your use cases, and then think about what to instrument for each use case, and what to put in the events.

      For instance, if you want to make your daemon monitorable for health, then think about all its dependencies. Does it read config from a file? The file is a dependency. What happens if a value is invalid? Does it fail or use a default? If it fails, reading the value is a dependency. Need a network socket? Dependency. Connection to remote machine? Dependency (actually multiple- name resolution, network connectivity, authentication, app-level connectivity, etc.). After you've enumerated all your dependencies, then add instrumentation in your code to log events when the dependency is unsatisfied (==unhealthy/broken), and when it is satisfied (==healthy). Make sure to log BOTH states, so that the monitoring app can decide which state you are in. Make sure to log only once per state transition. In each event, try to put as much information about the situation as you can- why you are in the state ("the value foo from daemon-config was invalid"), status codes, etc.- give your user a fighting chance of being able to use your log to diagnose and resolve the issue.

      If you want to instrument for audit, then I suggest reading the Orange Book or the Common Criteria documents for suggestions on what needs to be audited and what information to put in the events.

      For accounting, examine the RADIUS RFCs.

      Hope this helps.

  2. Standard format for domain information by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Informative

    I work on a large air traffic control system. Logging is a huge issue. Log files are collected centrally by a separate application. One important issue IMO is making the contents of your various log files meaningful to people who are not familiar with them.

    If your system has objects of type A B and C which can be handled by different components of your system then your should make the logging system in those components print information about those objects in exactly the same way.

    While you are at it, make the log format easily parsable by software. You don't want to be looking for a needle in a gigabyte size haystack of trace information without help from a tool which understands what it is looking for.

  3. Re:As little as practically possible by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Otherwise don't do much logging because it will hurt application performance, sometimes drastically."

    You're assuming that performance -- or, more precisely, CPU usage -- is important; in many cases, reliability (and being able to track down bugs after a crash) are far more important than CPU usage. With quad-core CPUs so cheap these days, we can easily afford to spend another thousand dollars to throw more processing power into a system which has cost a couple of hundred thousand dollars of programmer time to develop and will cost thousands of dollars an hour for any downtime.

  4. Logging to a database by Animats · · Score: 3, Informative

    My online applications log to a database, not a text file. Multiple applications on different machines can log to the same database table. There's no need for "log rotation"; old entries can be summarized and purged by date on the live database. With appropriate indexed fields, you can find key log entries in huge log files very rapidly.

    Even program faults are logged to the database. If the program crashes, the top-level exception handler catches the event, does a traceback, opens a fresh database connection, and logs the traceback.

    1. Re:Logging to a database by AaronLawrence · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not to mention the added complexity and failure modes. All but the most trivial databases can go wrong in interesting ways, and when that happens where will you put your logging? It's precisely when things go wrong that you need logging the most. So you want the least possible dependencies. Right now, that's appending text to a file - file systems are simpler and tested more thoroughly than even the best databases can be.

      Like the user (or the system, or the virus...) shutdown the database server in the middle of operation. How do you prove that after the fact if the logs were going into the database?

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  5. taking it a big further - no logging at all by JonTurner · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't coddle weak programmers... it's survival of the fittest out here. Either they learn to nourish themselves from the ample teat of a stack dump, or they must perish. It is for the good of our civilization. I know this seems harsh, young Jedi, but it is the way of the Elders of Assembler, from the ancient Time Before OO. Now go Forth and code.

    Okay, joking aside. Parent has a great point -- logging can generate incredible volumes of text and can form a remarkable bottleneck, especially on VM systems where your OS may not be the only one hitting the disk.
    So take advantage of Log4J/Net's ability to log at different severity levels and make logging globally configurable so you can enable/disable entirely at runtime. I'd recommend you log the following : object creation, scarce resource allocation, recoverable failure/error conditions and unrecoverable failures. Preface each severity level with a unique label so you can grep for it later. Even at the most verbose level, you can then grep your output to see only what's of interest to you (e.g. "unrecoverable:...").

    1. Re:taking it a big further - no logging at all by BobGregg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I just had occasion to try and optimize an old C++ app that was having performance issues in certain sections. This app had its own custom logging system using Unix message queues, and was always a little suspect. I noticed as I tried to instrument the code that whenever I seemed to get close to the bottleneck, the problem seemed to move to a different part of the code. Finally, it dawned on me that the log system itself was part of the problem. In fact, the log object constructor was taking significant time, including (in some places) within critical (as in lock/unlock) sections. Most critical classes had been defined with an instance of the logger as a member, which was overkill. Doing nothing more than changing the definitions of the log objects to static dropped critical section performance by an entire order of magnitude.

      Moral: Do logging, but do it judiciously. Know what you're doing - and know what the log system is doing too.

  6. whatever you do, don't use nfs by Sir_Real · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you're using log4j, don't use multiple hosts to write to the same nfs filesystem file. You'll run into blocking issues and log4j doesn't handle them correctly. The nirvana of clustered app logging is an async JMS queue. You fire off the message and forget it. You don't wait for file handles.

  7. not cpu bound... disk bound by JonTurner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not CPU that's at a premium, it's disk IO. And on virtualized machines (such as is extremely popular in corporations and hosting farms) where there might be four different OSs running on the same physical hardware, disk becomes a scarce resource very, very quickly. And not only does your virtualized server go to shit, it takes the others down with it since they can't get timely disk access, either.

    1. Re:not cpu bound... disk bound by Heembo · · Score: 4, Informative

      For high availability clustered web applications, it's not disc IO that is the problem, but network overhead.

      I tend to use log4j and asynchronous logging that passes log messages to a syslog server that can handle the file io - and it ends up being network overhead that is the killer.

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    2. Re:not cpu bound... disk bound by hackstraw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I tend to use log4j and asynchronous logging that passes log messages to a syslog server that can handle the file io - and it ends up being network overhead that is the killer.

      People have said disk io, CPUs, and they say they are both cheap. NICs are VERY cheap.

    3. Re:not cpu bound... disk bound by gallwapa · · Score: 3, Informative

      ehhh. HP 373i quad port gig nic pci express kicks ass and only runs about $350

  8. I Don't! by Vectronic · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't, save the rain forest, hug a tree, prevent deforestation, stop logging now!

  9. Re:As little as practically possible by dslauson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "You're assuming that performance -- or, more precisely, CPU usage -- is important; in many cases, reliability (and being able to track down bugs after a crash) are far more important than CPU usage."

    I work on a real-time embedded medical device, where both performance and reliability are vital. We've got constrained resources, and the system must be extremely responsive.

    Our logging scheme is pretty cool. It's written so that two computers can log to a single hard drive, and each logging statement must define a log level. So, for example, if I'm writing GUI code, I can log to log_level_gui_info, log_level_gui_debug, log_level_gui_error, or any of a number of more specific log levels.

    The idea is

    1. Some of these log levels we can turn off before a production release.
    2. We have a special tool for reading these logs (they're encrypted), and in this tool you can check off which log levels you care to see, and which you don't

    So, we have two ways to filter out extraneous logging that we don't care about (one actually keeps the logging from happening, and one just filters it out during analysis), and we can log as freely as we like as long as we're smart about which levels we're using.

    As much faith as we all have in our own code, nothing's as frustrating as trying to analyze a log that came in from the field where there's just no information about what went wrong.

  10. Lotsa logging by SpinyNorman · · Score: 3, Informative

    I write code for Telecom test systems that need to run 24x7 processing highly varying requests from dozens of different client systems. Our system consists of dozens of different processes/components per host, with multiple hosts all invoking components on each other as needed (all via CORBA). There are very many paths that any request can take through our system.

    In this environment we log VERY heavily since each request is close to unique and we need to be able to determine the path it took through the system, and why it did, and what happened, in the event of any bug report. Some of the haviest used modules can produce close to 1GB of log per day per host - upto a couple hundred lines of logging information per request per process that it passes thru. We use a custom printf-like log library written in C++ (that auto rotates the log files based on various criteria), a custom tail utility for dealing with the large log files (tail a log file from a given timestamp - done instantly via binary search on the timestamps) and a daily cron job to compress the older log files and move any older than 5 days off the production servers to someplace with more storage.

  11. One line of logging for every line of comments by sprior · · Score: 3, Funny

    That should be about right...

  12. As much as practically possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    On the other hand, broken code hurts application performance, sometimes drastically.

    I'm an SQA engineer with years of experience working with large scale enterprise systems. Generally speaking the cost of unexpected outages or data corruption outweighs the cost of hardware. In such systems the costs of deployment activity itself can be such that you'd rather pay for more hardware to support extremely verbose logging.

    Sure, boneheaded logging can cause unnecessary performance hits, the obvious example being logging in a loop when logging at entry and exit would have sufficed. But that's not what we are really talking about here. You posited that you should do as little logging as practically possible, and I believe that you are wrong.

    Log lots and log often. Just do so intelligently. Use a logging framework (log4j, log4net, log4perl etc) and set the priority appropriately. Only use ERROR for real errors (unexpected code paths or data), use WARN when a performance metric is hitting a soft limit (to warn you before you hit that hard limit), and use DEBUG to verbosely log anything else of general interest. Rarely you might also want to log in an extremely verbose manner data that wouldn't ordinarily be interesting, and this should be logged at a TRACE level. Generally speaking if this is the case then the code itself is due for a refactor. FATAL should normally be reserved for errors that prevent correct startup - generally if an application runs correctly at startup then any potential faults that you see and handle now become ERRORs because there is nearly always something better an application can do than log FATAL and exit. As the OP observed, if you have a potential fault that kills your application and you don't see and handle it then you don't have the opportunity to log FATAL anyway.

    By using a logging framework, many logging pitfalls can be avoided because the framework itself provides well tested facilities. eg, time-stamping, log rotation, file-handle management etc. In addition, using a framework allows the operator to tune the logging on a very granular level. This allows for a trade off to be made where if a performance impact is noted in a well used class then its logging can be reduced at runtime. Sure, there is still a small performance impact because the logging framework has to do a "if (logMessage.logLevel >= loggingClass.logLevel ) then {...}" comparision, but in the scale of things that impact is tiny.

    My profession is not about finding and fixing bugs. It is about understanding the software that is being delivered and deployed. It is about understanding what defects exist (or may exist) and the possible implications of those defects. It is about reducing the risk of defects through analysis. Analysis of the software's functionality, analysis of the software's performance, analysis of the processes used to produce the software itself. You will never be yelled at for releasing software with a well understood and documented defect, but the shit will hit the fan when you release major defects that are not understood.

    Logging is an _invaluable_ tool in this analysis. You'd be a fool to not use it effectively.

  13. Re:As little as practically possible by Champion3 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd be careful about using multi-core as a crutch: if the logging code isn't written properly, it can still be a bottleneck. Last year at my office we had to excise our old logging library because it turned out that each function call to the log acquired a global critical section even if the log level threshold wasn't met. Multi core wouldn't help because it was highly likely that any given call to the log would block the calling thread.

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  14. Be careful what you log... by gillbates · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It might come back to haunt you later.

    • If it could be useful for invading someone's privacy, law enforcement will expect to have access to it. Consider, for example, that the RIAA lawsuits were enabled by the fact that ISPs logged (and kept the logs) of the IP addresses and to whom they were assigned.
    • Consider how an attacker could use the logs as a means of figuring out how your software functions, and how to defeat it. "Buffer overflow on line __LINE__" - while well-intentioned - would be a bad message to log. If you must log defects, sanitize the output so that it doesn't reveal more information than is necessary for the reader to know.
    • In general, don't log normal operation beyond the startup and initialization messages. Users have this uncanny habit of looking to the logs for ways to blame the software for their own ineptitude. A verbose tirade of log messages will often provide them with ample ammunition for blame deflection and result in unnecessary service calls and potential misunderstanding. Especially if the log messages are cryptic and could be misconstrued to indicate that there is a bug with your software.
    • With respect to the above point, make sure that any errors which could be caused by misconfiguration or user error clearly indicate that the problem lies with the user or configuration.
    • When you do have to log a bug, include only the technical information necessary for the person doing the debugging. The point is to make it sufficiently technical that you have a starting point for debugging without giving the end user something with which they can hang you. Reporting a seg fault won't do you any good if you don't have the means to determine where and why it happened.
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  15. Re:As little as practically possible by omeomi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wonder why, given the huge increase in the performance of computers over the last ten years and more, why it sill takes some games one to five minutes to load

    There are more textures, and they are stored at a higher resolution than they used to be; The 3D models have more triangles; there are more sound effects, and the quality is higher; there is more music, and the quality is higher...It takes time to load all of this into memory.

  16. None Inline, Use AOP by xero314 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I just wanted to second the "as little as...possible" sentiment and take it one step further. DO NOT add any logging to your application code. If it is not essential to the logic it should not be in the code.

    That being said, you can add what ever logging you want as long as you do it outside the application code, such as through AOP (if you don't know what that is then google is your new best friend).

    Logging through external means has a number of benefits. First you application code is relieved from unnecessary clutter. Second the logging can be added or removed as fit for the environment with no need for any runtime checking, which is perfect for turning of all logging in production environments. And lastly it enforces good coding practices as it makes sure people break up code in a way that makes external logging possible, which is how code should be written anyway.

    The majority of all logging, dare I say all useful logging, is easy to summarize.
    • Starting Process... with the following conditions...
    • Starting Process... with the following conditions...

    This is perfect for function/method interception since it comes down to something more specific.

    • Executing Function... with the following arguments... (with one of those arguments being the state of the object the function is attached to in Object Oriented Programming)
    • Function... returned the following...

    So simply add the first logging to an interceptor that operates before the functions you want to log, and the second after the function.

    If you find yourself needing detail inside the function then you need to break the function up into sub routines, so you can use this generic logging on the sub routines instead, or as well as.

  17. Re:As little as practically possible by darkpixel2k · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...nothing's as frustrating as trying to analyze a log that came in from the field where there's just no information about what went wrong.

    [ 56.529336] WARNING: A-fib detected
    [ 56.568802] INFO: charging defib
    [ 56.741096] INFO: charging ccomplete
    [ 57.218803] ALERT: shocking!
    [ 58.061815] Buffer I/O error on /dev/paddles
    [ 58.163210] zapper[22402]: segfault at 000000c4 eip b321bf5f esp b320a870 error 6
    BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual adress 00000000
    printing eip: c013186b *pde = 00000000
    Oops: 0000 [#1] SMP
    Modules linked in: battery ipv6 paddles ac button battery cardiac_monitor thermal processor zapper fan

    Man, I'd feel bad after that output...

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  18. Re:As little as practically possible by zotz · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think you might be missing the main reason. If we don't reduce software logging, pretty soon there will be no old growth software left.

    all the best,

    drew

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