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Amateur Scientists Seek Fusion Reaction

ElvaWSJ writes "A small subculture of amateur physicists and science-fiction fans — fewer than 100 worldwide — are building working nuclear-fusion reactors at home. The designs are based on the work of Philo T. Farnsworth, an inventor of television, from the 1960s. Some of these hobbyists hope similar reactors can one day power the planet, but so far they consume more energy than they create."

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  1. Can a String Theorist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can a string theorist explain why this won't work?, in simple terms please.

    1. Re:Can a String Theorist? by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 5, Funny

      Because for every hobbyist who builds one of these hoping to get more power than they put in, there's someone in the background playing a violin...

    2. Re:Can a String Theorist? by Spatial · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't think it can hear him from here. We need to send him a bit closer! :)

    3. Re:Can a String Theorist? by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 2, Funny

      So, I'm having trouble figuring this out, and would appreciate some help. Are you an asshole, or just a moron?

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    4. Re:Can a String Theorist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Exactly. Fusion is already happening in the sun, so why not just bring the sun to the earth? Then we have an active fusion reaction that we KNOW will be maintained for years to come!

    5. Re:Can a String Theorist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Except this has nothing to do with violating conservation of energy. Tell the sun you can't get a surplus of energy out of fusion.

      Except this has nothing to do with violating conservation of energy.

      nothing to do with violating conservation of energy.

      violating conservation of energy.

      violating

      viola (*accompanies by playing a small violin*)

    6. Re:Can a String Theorist? by Xiaran · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe he's a "morhole" or an "assron"... I wanna be an assron.

    7. Re:Can a String Theorist? by Lisandro · · Score: 2, Funny

      And resistance is IR^2, damn!, I mean : futile. :)

      Yeah! Power to the resistance!

  2. Amateur Scientists Seek Perpetual Motion Device by Kagura · · Score: 5, Funny

    "A small subculture of amateur physicists and science-fiction fans -- fewer than 100 worldwide -- are building working perpetual motion devices at home. The designs are based on the work of Albert Michelson, co-proponent of luminiferous aether theory, from the 1890s. Some of these hobbyists hope similar devices can one day power the planet, but so far they consume more energy than they create."

    Good article.

    1. Re:Amateur Scientists Seek Perpetual Motion Device by jcorno · · Score: 5, Funny

      The reason is, and I don't care if I'm modded down to -1, some mods would rather bitch slap people than do actual work like thinking and reading post. Some mods use it to suppress differing opinion.

      I just don't get it. When I have mod points I look for good stuff to mod up.

      That's funny. I usually waste my mod points modding down posts that start with variations on "Go ahead and mod me down." I guess this is your lucky day.

    2. Re:Amateur Scientists Seek Perpetual Motion Device by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've never actually heard anything suggesting Michelson believed in luminiferous aether

      Let me help:

      Delta-V, Delta-T, Albert A. Michaelson

      Wanted to find out why light moved so brisk;

      Needed a much bigger

      Interferometer;

      Back to the drawing board,

      can't get the drift.

      -- sorry, remember the quote but not the attribution.

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  3. Fusion? Pah! I've done them better! by MarkRose · · Score: 2, Funny

    Meanwhile at my home, I've perfected the generation of natural gas by eating the right combination of Burger King and Taco Bell.

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    1. Re:Fusion? Pah! I've done them better! by EdIII · · Score: 4, Funny

      Burger King and Taco Bell? You could do so much better. Let me help.

      Step 1: Broccoli and Cheese soup. Crush some Oyster Crackers into it and DON'T forget the Tabasco sauce.
      Step 2: Pork and Beans. 1 Can. Always a classic.
      Step 3: ONE foot-long-cheap-ass Don Miguel burrito (the spicy red one). Can be purchased at any fine 7-11 anywhere. Only ONE. Trust me.
      Step 4: 5 Hardboiled eggs with salt and pepper.
      Step 5: Steamed Cabbage and 2 raw onions with plenty of butter.
      Step 6: A single large bag of Funyuns.

      Do all of this within 3 1/2 hours. Sit on the couch and wait about another 2-3 hours. Hold everything in till about 6 hours after you started.

      You know that saying "killed the dog"? Well if you have pets, I don't recommend this.

      DISCLAIMER: If you have any kind of a heart condition, or if anyone else in the house has one DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS.

  4. Re:Radioactive Trajedy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    further investigations are preceding.

    Sweet. They built a time machine.

  5. Re:Good grief... by lgw · · Score: 3, Funny

    Only the first paragraph was quoted from TFA - preview button, who needs it!

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  6. Bring on fusion! by ArchieBunker · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can't fucking wait for the day cold fusion arrives and we get to tell all those assholes in the middle east "Hey heres a fusion reactor that lasts for a century and costs $500. We'll no longer be needing your oil"

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  7. WMD by clarkkent09 · · Score: 4, Funny

    A small subculture of amateur physicists and science-fiction fans -- fewer than 100 worldwide -- are building working nuclear-fusion reactors at home.

    In other news, a small subculture of amateur neoconservatives are building working homemade tanks, fighter jets and cruise missiles in order to seek out and destroy these Weapons Of Mass Destruction before its too late and a mushroom cloud appears in somebody's basement

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  8. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by the_humeister · · Score: 3, Funny

    Strong enough to kill, and death by radiation poisoning is not my idea of a fun time.

    Well, different strokes for different folks...

  9. Re:whatcouldpossiblygowrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    That's my favorite book ever... having been a boyscout with a parent who worked at a nuclear power plant.

    Due to my book report on "The Nuclear Boyscout," way back when, I am now unemployable. Sucks to be me.

  10. Fusion? BAH!!! by adric · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now if they could put it in the form of a suppository...

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  11. There's only two possible outcomes. by jpellino · · Score: 2, Funny

    Really embarrassing or REALLY embarrassing.

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  12. Confucius say by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 4, Funny

    Confucius say "Man who build fusion reactor at home flux his wife instead of his secretary."

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  13. next to his bed? by cashman73 · · Score: 4, Funny
    Carl Willis, a 27-year-old doctoral student at Ohio State University, who keeps his fusor just a few feet from his bed.

    Apparently, he never wants to get laid ... EVER!

    1. Re:next to his bed? by jamesh · · Score: 4, Funny

      Apparently, he never wants to get laid ... EVER!

      And if he does, he needn't worry about birth control...

  14. Science takes a leaf from Ankh-Morpork Alchemists by Anaerin · · Score: 2, Funny

    By and large, the only skill the alchemists of Ankh-Morpork had discovered so far was the ability to turn gold into less gold.

    - Terry Pratchett, Moving Pictures

  15. farnsworth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why isn't this tagged with "goodnewseveryone"?

  16. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by Born2bwire · · Score: 5, Funny

    So don't forget to wear you film badge. Because nothing says safety like a device that can tell you after the fact that you've received a fatal dose of radiation

  17. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by tylernt · · Score: 5, Funny

    radiation is not some ocult spawn of satan that any amount of it will make your skin turn green and ressurect dead puppies into zombies.

    Shoot, I just spent all this time building a Farnsworth fusor for nothing.

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  18. What about gravity? by coldsalmon · · Score: 5, Funny

    If we just gathered together enough matter, it would start fusing on its own through gravitational force. Using this method, we could create a gigantic fusion reactor in space, and then collect its radiation and convert it to electricity. It would be kind of like harnessing the solar power of the sun...oh wait...

  19. Re:Good grief... by Urkki · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yes, Wikipedia is exactly that, a friend. You know, the kind of friend that likes to tell tall tales, and is generally fun to be around with. Just don't ask him/her to help with your homework, at least not if must get it right or you'll flunk ;-)

  20. Re:Science takes a leaf from Ankh-Morpork Alchemis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    By and large, the only skill the alchemists of Ankh-Morpork had discovered so far was the ability to turn gold into less gold.

    I think my wife already has a patent on that ...

  21. Re:Widely used in medicine and research by jacquesm · · Score: 2, Funny

    a couple of hundred bucks, less if you live near a junkyard :)

  22. Can be used for breeding? by damburger · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't mean getting Mr. Fusor to give Mrs. Fusor a special cuddle, I mean using the thing as a neutron source to produce fission fuel.

    I'm guessing not, as the thing would be more tightly controlled.

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  23. Re:Good grief... by Nazlfrag · · Score: 2, Funny

    Radioactive carbon is one thing, uranium and plutonium another. There may be some typical overreaction by Greenpeace yet I'm not sure you should dismiss the issue as trivial so lightly. There were linked articles that shed some light on their concerns.

    Greenpeace revealed that Cogema, the operator of the state-owned La Hague reprocessing plant, has installed inadequate equipment off the plant's discharge pipe, 30 metres under the sea, in a flawed attempt to prevent the routine discharge of radioactive particles into the ocean. Levels of radiation on the outside of the two steel chambers are so high (up to 500 micro-sieverts each hour) that a no-dive zone was self imposed by Greenpeace's radio-protection officer.

    Since July, Cogema have been attempting to remove the radioactive crust from within their waste pipe. Greenpeace had called upon French authorities for a thorough Environmental Impact Assessment prior to any operation. This was not conducted, and during the operation hundreds of kilograms of waste material escaped into the ocean.

    Greenpeace revealed today that nuclear particles larger than 63 microns were captured during a scientific sampling FROM Cogema's discharge pipe, while the Discharge Authorization from 1980 states that no particle larger than 25 microns can be discharged by the reprocessing plant.

    In late 1998, following a green light and final checks by regulatory authorities DSIN, responsible for regulating nuclear transport, and OPRI which handles radioprotection, spent fuel shipment transportation from Cruas-Meysse to La Hague resumed. Shipments had been suspended in April 1998 after safety authorities reported ground contamination at the Valognes terminal near La Hague.

    In mid-January 1997, the British Medical Journal published a study by two French scientists, Dominique Pobel and Jean-FranÃois Viel. The report warned of an increased risk of leukaemia for children who played regularly on beaches near the nuclear La Hague reprocessing plant, triggering local public concern. French Environment and Health Ministries commissioned an official epidemiological study of leukaemia around La Hague to be conducted by a high-level, ten-member team of experts. On 16 June 1997, the Secretary of State for Health requested OPRI (Office for Protection against Ionizing Radiation) to conduct an analysis of the marine environment (water, sediments, fauna, flora) around the sea discharge end of the effluent pipe of the La Hague plant. Measurements taken by OPRI near the beaches detected no radioactivity above the natural radioactivity level.

    Activists such as Rousselet had reason to doubt La Hague's chemistry, essentially the same as the separation process developed by the Manhattan Project. It has proved an ecological, occupational, and humanitarian disaster nearly everywhere else. Spills and explosions at reprocessing plants in the United States, Russia, and Britain have polluted rivers and contaminated hundreds of thousands of acres. Britain's Sellafield reprocessing complex, on England's Cumbrian coast, was shuttered in April 2005 after safety authorities discovered that 83 cubic meters of highly radioactive liquids had spilled during a period of nine months.

    While they may be rabidly anti-nuclear they still have a right to be concerned.

  24. Unfrozen Caveman String Theorist by I+Like+Pudding · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can a string theorist explain why this won't work?, in simple terms please.

    Sun big and hot. Reactor small and hot. Big hot better than small hot. String work better that way.