Slashdot Mirror


Lessig On McCain's Technology Platform

Agthorr writes "Lawrence Lessig has created a video analyzing John McCain's recently released technology platform (available here). Lessig's video touches on broadband penetration, competition, and network neutrality." Note that while Lessig has come out as a supporter of Barack Obama, this video is not from the Obama campaign.

18 of 156 comments (clear)

  1. To sum it up... by Jack9 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    McCain's has the foresight and intents (and motivations like "faith") of GWB. Not that Obama is a saviour, but let's try to minimize the severe damage the internet will suffer under either candidate (in America).

    --

    Often wrong but never in doubt.
    I am Jack9.
    Everyone knows me.
    1. Re:To sum it up... by ScentCone · · Score: 1, Insightful

      motivations like "faith"

      Are you even paying attention? Obama makes more, and more often, of his belief in the supernatural. His churchliness is a far more visible part of his persona (which, obviously, also got him in a lot of hot water when people actually started to pay attention to where, and with whom, he'd been going for 20 years to assert his abiding faith in the supernatural and the people who crazily preach about it). So, which is worse, they guy who people say is old, slow, from another era and believes it, or the guy that's presented by the media as a brilliant, towering intellect... who has such a flawed grip on reality that he still believes it? Or worse... who is smart enough to not believe it, but who is sleazy enough to say he does in order to get votes?

      --
      Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
    2. Re:To sum it up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Anyone who expects an openly non-religious person to be 1) nominated by either major political party, and then 2) elected president, is at least as crazy as as any church-goer. It's an empirical fact that belief in the supernatural is necessary to be elected to the office.

    3. Re:To sum it up... by ScentCone · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The difference is that Obama's faith isn't the rigid taking-orders-from-god kind, but rather the kind that's supportive of using logic and rationality to decide issues

      Right. Which makes him even worse. Anyone who simultaneously supports logic and reason while spending two decades hanging out (until being outed by YouTube) in a church that spouts some of the most unreasonable and illogical stuff imagineable isn't just a hypocrite, he's either simply not as smart as he's being sold to be by his handlers, or he's a complete charlatan. What exactly is it he's supposed to have faith in if he can just mutate it as needed to avoid it being consistent, and can switch it off if he has to take a vacation from magic when logic is important? That's my point: he's either a fool, or he's lying.

      --
      Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
    4. Re:To sum it up... by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, which is worse, they guy who people say is old, slow, from another era and believes it, or the guy that's presented by the media as a brilliant, towering intellect... who has such a flawed grip on reality that he still believes it?

      It doesn't matter if McCain has a better grip on reality than Obama, because it doesn't change the fact that everything* about his platform is wrong!

      (*with perhaps the sole exception being his support for the 2nd Amendment -- if only he felt that strongly about the rest of the Bill of Rights!)

      --

      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    5. Re:To sum it up... by Tenek · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Well, 50 years ago it was an empirical fact that being white was necessary to be elected to the office.

      If you're an optimist, this means that all those cold hard facts can eventually change, and everyone will be free! Yay!

      If you're a pessimist, this means that Americans are just as bigoted as they were back then, only now it's the gays and atheists destroying America instead of blacks and Jews. Progress?

    6. Re:To sum it up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's a scentcone of bullshit. He's just tearing down Obama so McCain doesn't seem as bad. No need to argue for your candidates positions if you can demotivate your opponents...

      Ron Paul 2008! Or failing that, Obama.

    7. Re:To sum it up... by EveryNickIsTaken · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Despite what many people here think, science and religion are not mutually exclusive.

  2. To save you 16 minutes, by Mumei+no+koshinuke · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Lessig says the only two issues at stake are broadband penetration and net neutrality. McCain will try to solve the broadband penetration "problem" by providing subsidies to the cable and telecom monopolies, and he will oppose net neutrality.

    Obviously Lessig would prefer to see more competition and open networks.

    Personally, I think the broadband penetration number ("our rank has fallen to #22") is a bit of a red herring because the US is far less densely populated than most other countries and thus perfect broadband penetration is not feasible. And while I'm all for net neutrality, that issue alone is not going to determine who I vote for.

    Despite the current lack of regulation I think I get a fairly fast, unrestricted Internet connection at a fairly low price. I think that as long as there are at least two providers available in any locality the market will force reasonable prices and net neutrality.

    1. Re:To save you 16 minutes, by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Personally, I think the broadband penetration number ("our rank has fallen to #22") is a bit of a red herring because the US is far less densely populated than most other countries and thus perfect broadband penetration is not feasible.

      Lower population density may mean that universal broadband access isn't as profitable for commercial vendors as it might be otherwise (ditto with access to electricity, running water, telephone service, mail, etc.), but it certainly does not mean it is not feasible.

    2. Re:To save you 16 minutes, by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The trouble with the "less densely populated" argument is that even in wealthy and thickly settled areas our broadband is expensive and crap. It would, I agree, be wholly unrealistic to whine about how rural Idaho has internet access that would make Tokyo cry. Obviously so. The fact that even in major metropolitan areas, we face an effective duopoly; both options fairly lousy, is not at all unrealistic to be upset about.

    3. Re:To save you 16 minutes, by mariushm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have cable 20/2 Internet connection, and I'm in Romania (a small country in Europe with neighbors Hungary and Bulgaria for people with less knowledge of geography).

      Inside the country, I can max the connection anytime, full 20mbps. Outside the country, the speeds are on average 13-14mbps.

      This is the result of heavy competition between two ISP that bought almost all the small ISP companies in the country.

      Also, no bandwidth caps and it costs about 20 dollars. Bundled with cable TV (576p, about 55 channels) the total cost is 40$.

      For an additional 10$ a month, the company can give me a set top box that takes digital tv out of the same cable (still 576p but digital up to the set top box so crystal clear. HD is still in testing in the country).

      About two years ago, for the same price I would have received 2mbps download, 256kbps upload.

      So what I'm trying to say is that it's quite possible to saturate your connection, if I can for example by downloading two linux iso's from two different servers in my country.

      It's your provider that doesn't invest enough to have the backbone capable of handling the speeds.

    4. Re:To save you 16 minutes, by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How am I not losing money now to have broadband delivered to me? I pay every single month, and I have no equity in anything I'm paying for. I call that lost money. I'm quite certain I've paid the prorated installation cost of the cable to my house several times over in the past 6 years, and if nothing changes, I can look forward to paying it all over again in the next 6 years. I am also absolutely certain that the prorated cost of transit for my traffic is a microscopic portion of my monthly payment.

      So tell me again how an unprofitable utility loses me money?

  3. Re:I can't watch this by kesuki · · Score: 2, Insightful

    sadly those who have banned flash on their pcs can't access content that could have easily been done with 2-5 small images and a text based blog entry instead of making a 2 minute shockwave flash video and wasting everyone's bandwidth.

  4. Lovely... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > McCain will try to solve the broadband penetration "problem" by providing subsidies to the cable and telecom monopolies

    Great. So regulation to protect Net Neutrality by preventing people from making an open market closed is bad, but giving tax money to monopolies is good?

    As for broadband rank, I would like to point out that the Nordic countries do find in spite of having lower densities than we do. Also, if you look at coverage, it's concentrated in the rich areas.

    I'm in the _middle_ of the 5th largest metropolis in the USA, and my choices are:

    * Cable (With a pathetic 20 GB/month download limit, but decent speed... usually).

    * 144 Kbps DSL (Which costs over $100/month, BTW. Those are kilo BITS per second; so downloads top out at 15-16 KB/s).

    * A T1 line (I'm tempted, but it's something like $400/month and I don't have the income to support it).

    * A city wireless network that I'm on the far end of the range for (and can't connect to reliably).

    * Satellite (laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag).

    * Dial-up.

    Supposedly there's FIOS to be had, but not in my area. Only over in the high-income areas. If we were smart, the government would set up some major fiber optic backbones and such to the population centers, then lease lines to local businesses. So the public would OWN the infrastructure (and therefore, care for it), while the businesses would innovate in making use of it.

    Instead, we've given billions to telecoms and gotten nothing in return, because they want to keep the money and cherry-pick the areas they service without making expensive infrastructure investments.

    And you can't do that on the state level, because it becomes "competition" to service people the telecoms *refuse* to.

  5. Population density by overshoot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Personally, I think the broadband penetration number ("our rank has fallen to #22") is a bit of a red herring because the US is far less densely populated than most other countries and thus perfect broadband penetration is not feasible. And while I'm all for net neutrality, that issue alone is not going to determine who I vote for.

    Was the USA more densely populated eight years ago?

    I'll point out that Arizona is more urban than the Netherlands. Almost all of Arizona's population lives in major urban areas; the Netherlands has a higher net population density but a much higher percentage of their population lives in nonurban villages.

    This is by way of saying that population density is a red herring, because broadband penetration is measured by people, not square miles. The USA's ranking isn't being driven down by the lack of broadband on the Yuma Proving Grounds or the Plains of St. Augustin.

    --
    Lacking <sarcasm> tags, /. substitutes moderation as "Troll."
  6. tax cuts vs subsidies by j1m+5n0w · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A subsidy is very different from a tax cut. Of course, one shouldn't be surprised that Lessig makes this confusion as his political leanings...

    Lessig first refers to them as tax cuts; he obviously is not "confused" about the distinction, he quite deliberately equates tax cuts with subsidies, and the end result of a selective tax cut and a subsidy (assuming the subsidy is not larger than the amount taxed) is the same thing, as you well know.

    If you don't see the distinction ... imagine calling a decrease in your personal income tax a subsidy :)

    I would have no problem calling a tax reduction on a demographic I don't belong to a "subsidy" rather than a tax cut, especially if the tax cut seems to have been applied arbitrarily. If it applied to myself, I might be able to fool myself into calling it a tax cut, but the only one fooled would be myself; to everyone else who didn't qualify, it would be a subsidy.

    his political leanings tend to assume that tax money originates and belongs to the government, not the originating source of the income.

    ...

    The word subsidy also makes it sound like McCain wants to fill evil telecoms' pockets with undeserved cash.

    You seem to be basing your arguments on the notion that the money rightly belongs to the taxpayer, and than it is wrong for the government to take it. However, McCain is not proposing to repeal taxes altogther, but to take tax money from some and not from others. Supposing we were to agree that taxes are a necessary evil in order to support a civil society. Which would you consider in general to be the best policy: tax everyone equally, or tax some people and not others? (And I am aware that current tax policy does not tax equally, but that's an issue for another time.)

  7. Re:I can't watch this by grahamd0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My argument is just as strong as the argument I was responding to, which claims that the quality of the media affects whether or not someone is going to listen to an argument -- ie, judging the book by its cover.

    Except that it does, and people do.

    Can you honestly tell me that you've never seen anyone get modded up for a well written post that didn't really say anything? Or conversely someone with a valid point get modded down because they write like an idiot?

    That video added nothing to the point Lessig was trying to make, and in fact, actively detracted from it. I agree with every word he said and I thought that video was terrible. It was 16 minutes of poor PowerPoint emulation, bad parodies of Apple marketing, the implication that AT&T is *not* a villainous entity in the same vein as Comcast, and blatant political pandering (all of that Iraq war commentary was a distraction from his main point). Did you actually watch the video or do you just like arguing?

    If I'm judging a book by it's cover, then you're too busy trying to see the forest to realize that the trees suck.