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A Mozilla Plugin to Help Overcome IE Rendering Flaw

least_weasel writes "An article on Ars Technica reveals Mozilla's intention to create and release a plugin for Internet Explorer that would allow the often-criticized IE to utilize some of the cooler rendering code developed for Firefox. The current WIP focuses on rendering using HTML5 standards, but the plans seem to be more ambitious than just fixing this one small piece of IE. The article covers some of the plans, hurdles, and potential benefits. It also spills the beans on the code name for the project: Screaming Monkey."

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  1. Re:Sad or happy day in Redmond? by snl2587 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The new plan for Mozilla:

    • Embrace I.E.
    • Extend I.E. with this plugin
    • Extinguish I.E. with a "Get Firefox" button on every page.

    What could possibly go wrong?

  2. Re:HTML5 is a standard now? by secPM_MS · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I would be rather cautious about simply trying to implement and support HTML5, which is no standardized yet. I attended BlackHat ~ 2 weeks ago and Stamos's talk "Living in the RIA World" had some interesting things to say about HTML5 in its current state. If you wait ~ 6 months, BlackHat will allow viewing. My notes concerning HTML 5 follow.

    HTML 5: have DOM storage (session and local) and database storage. These should all be SameOrigin. Meant to block userâ(TM)s deleting of tracking cookies. Use of database storage, there can be SQL injection against the local database. Some browsers support GlobalStorage that donâ(TM)t have SameOrigin control. Lots of new attack surface in FF3. Websites can be protocol handlers (support spyware!!). Installation of protocol handler is one click. WebKit is a big supporter of HTML5 and supports these issues.

    HTML5 has limited storage (~ 15 Mbytes total) allowing easy exhaustion attacks and there is no UI to manage this. DOS is easy. Can easily plant arbitrary evidence on a system. HTML 5: Security âoeneed to write this sectionâ.

    We now have web developers making desktop apps without any security or privacy expertise. The Web is becoming more heterogeneous and far far more dangerous.

  3. Look to the beam in your own eye by szquirrel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hey, that's great. Do they also have plans to fix the flaws in Firefox?

    Off the top of my head, could we finally have support for SVG as a native image format? Or even just SVG rendering that isn't slower than a stone cow?

    Don't want to sound like the grumpy old man, I just want most of my web shit to work in *one* browser before I worry about how it works in every browser.

    --
    Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.
  4. Re:Er... by MrMunkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The fact still remains that people use IE, because that's "the Internet" on their computer. It's been suggested that Adobe might include these plugins (there's also one in the works for the canvas element) with their Flash installer. That would greatly increase the number of people with IE that would support some of the features that are already available in FF/Opera/Safari.

    I think that people who don't have permission to install the plugins just won't be able to do so, but they wouldn't be able to install FF anyway.

  5. Re:Er... by anaesthetica · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think the idea might be to get a first mover advantage on IE. If the IE installed base gets this plugin and gets used to the behavior, Microsoft will find it harder to do their usual trick of implementation-but-not-quite. People who have this plugin will be upset if Microsoft releases a new version of IE that breaks the Canvas behavior that they've become used to. A wide deployment of the plugin (perhaps through Adobe as the article speculates) might create just enough perceived path-dependence that Microsoft won't go out of its way to break the Canvas standard with a proprietary implementation.

  6. Exactly backwards by markdavis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is exactly backwards to what most of us need. We need a [multiplatform] plugin for Firefox that will allow broken IE-only sites to work under Firefox so we can continue to use the browser of our choice. Not that I want to promote the use of IE-only coding, but the reality is that if the site doesn't work, the average users always blame Firefox, not the site designer.

  7. Re:Er... by carlzum · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And then that jock gets a job in the city rec department, and his bangin' cheerleader girlfriend is a professional beautician, between them making as much as you do by yourself with your programming experience.

    Sigh, if life were fair this would be true. The jocks become corporate sales guys and upper management types. While I honed my programming skills they developed "leadership" skills on a football scholarship at State U. Now they drive nice cars, play golf on office time, and their cheerleader girlfriends have become hot moms.

    I think I'm going to put Revenge of the Nerds on to feel better.