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First Review of Intel's New Classmate PC

An anonymous reader writes "Intel gave the press a sneak preview of its 3rd generation Classmate PC at IDF. It looks like this guy managed to kidnap the only working sample for a while and write up a full report. It looks like a major departure from the original, with a rotating touch screen and Atom processor. There's no official word on pricing yet, but no doubt the OLPC guys will try to rain on Intel's parade."

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  1. meanwhile, OLPC firmware gets edits to support XP by schwaang · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Among other things, of course.
    OLPC seems to be plugging away as hard as ever since all that angst over XP.

    And some users are figuring out how to install regular linux desktops in an easier way. (Sugar's pretty hard for expert users to get used to.)

    Obligatory on-topic snark: does ClassmatePC come with a virus checker?

  2. Let's remember who started the parade by bl8n8r · · Score: 5, Informative

    OLPC started the whole sub-mini notebook craze. It was Wintel that did the raining*. It's bad enough the American monopolies had to get their greedy paws in the OLPC pie; let's at least keep the facts straight.

    [*] - http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article4472654.ece

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    1. Re:Let's remember who started the parade by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Informative

      the American monopolies

      American monopoly. Not plural. Intel isn't a monopoly anymore with AMD becoming more than just a clone manufacturer of x86 CPUs. And actually in most physical stores, AMD is just as common, if not more common than Intel CPUs. MS on the other hand, clearly has a monopoly.

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    2. Re:Let's remember who started the parade by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Informative
      WTF? The OLPC may have started th fad but Wintel mini-laptops existed well before OLPC ever started tooting their own horn.

      You want to know why Wintel hates OLPC and astroturfs so vindictively, yet we love them?

      • Gateway HandBook 486DX2-50 RRP: AU$2899
      • Toshiba Libretto RRP: AU$3,999.00
      • OQO model 02 RRP: AU$2,134.99
      • OLPC RRP: AU$240.00
      • ASUS eee PC RRP: AU$449.00

      Got it yet?

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  3. Only working sample? Really? by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Then how come in one of the photo the laptop has the "intel inside" sticker and in another photo it's not there?

  4. Rotating screen by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That tiny pivot in the middle seems like a good target for kids to break the computer.

    1. Re:Rotating screen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually it's not quite the same issue. As steveha said under a different thread:

      From the photos, it's a pretty conventional clamshell, which means lots of connections running through the hinge so the motherboard can be in the base and the display in the lid; the OLPC design has motherboard and display in the lid, so that all that needs to run through the hinge is basically a USB cable. Teen-aged kids, armed with simple screwdrivers, can take apart two broken OLPC laptops, swap parts, and produce a working OLPC laptop. I really doubt this will be possible with the Classmate.

  5. I remember... by pembo13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    when this was about bring open devices to poor, but not too poor, children. Now it's just a new first-world toy.

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  6. XP to prepare kids for adult life by ericferris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From TFA: I can understand why a Windows environment would be considered desirable in an educational tool, since the children will be learning to use the OS and applications that theyâ(TM)ll be encountering in their adult life.

    What a brillant insight!

    See, a kid using Windows XP in high school will encounter Windows XP applications in ten or fifteen years. Why, he will work with only Windows XP his whole adult life. Otherwise, he'd have to be trained to be flexible and to learn by himself as soon as high school.

    This brilliant insight also explains why Vista has failed on the marketplace. Why, when the average worker left high school school in the 80s, all the Apple IIs and C-64s in the school computer labs were running only Windows XP! No wonder he refuses Vista!

    Thank God we have good, insightful journalists in this country. Otherwise, we might see all kind of crap printed on the web.

    Note: yes, that was sarcasm. All of it. Thank you for noticing.

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    1. Re:XP to prepare kids for adult life by cbdougla · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, what he's saying is that it's not about learning to use a computer, it's about using a computer to facilitate learning. Computer skills are fairly transferable. If you can learn the basics, learning to use another computer is fairly easy.

    2. Re:XP to prepare kids for adult life by Zerth · · Score: 3, Informative

      According to those numbers, vista is a failure. It isn't success if you're primarily gaining usershare through hardware failure.

      From September to July on that chart, the xp+vista+2k goes from ~90.4% to ~89.6% I was almost "generous" and went to lump "other" in on the assumption it was 95/98, but then the drop would be nearly 1.5%

      A .8% loss isn't horrible, but Macs grew 1.12% and Linux grew .33%

      If Vista is growing(in gross numbers, as opposed to percentages), Linux and Mac are growing faster in relative terms according to your chart.

  7. Intel vs. OLPC by steveha · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's no official word on pricing yet, but no doubt the OLPC guys will try to rain on Intel's parade.

    Huh?

    Let's do a quick review.

    0) OLPC starts working on a laptop. It has a non-Intel chip and is designed for ultra power efficiency.
    1) Intel starts working on their own laptop. Intel's of course has an Intel CPU; and it is designed to run Windows.
    2) Official Intel sales people start trying to sell the Classmate to countries that are considering the OLPC laptop. In at least one case, an Intel sales person went to a country that had already agreed to buy OLPC laptops, and said in effect "That thing won't even run Windows... you sure you really want it?" At the time, Intel was officially a member of OLPC. (Rogue sales people? Evil corporate double-dealing? You decide.)

    Now, what's up with "no doubt the OLPC guys will try to rain on Intel's parade"? The OLPC guys are the overbearing bullies and Intel is the underdog here?

    I'm sure there are markets for something like the Classmate PC. I don't think it's the best choice for places with no electric infrastructure. And it has a cooling fan, so I don't think it's the best choice for places that are really hot, humid, and/or dusty. And I'm sure it costs about twice as much as the OLPC, so I don't think it's the best choice for the truly poor markets. And it almost certainly is much harder to repair than the OLPC design.[1] Hmmm. Am I raining on Intel's parade?

    All that said, the world is a large place full of lots of kids. No way can OLPC crank out enough computers to help everyone. If Intel can sell their computer into the more affluent areas, they can make money. If their sales people can leave the OLPC markets alone, maybe Intel and OLPC can just get along.

    P.S. I suspect that neither OLPC nor Intel will have the last word on educational computers for the masses. I'm starting to think that the best design would be a simple tablet that actually does cost $100 or less, and probably runs an ARM chip or something for crazy long battery life.

    steveha

    [1] From the photos, it's a pretty conventional clamshell, which means lots of connections running through the hinge so the motherboard can be in the base and the display in the lid; the OLPC design has motherboard and display in the lid, so that all that needs to run through the hinge is basically a USB cable. Teen-aged kids, armed with simple screwdrivers, can take apart two broken OLPC laptops, swap parts, and produce a working OLPC laptop. I really doubt this will be possible with the Classmate.

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    1. Re:Intel vs. OLPC by tylerni7 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Believe it or not, these laptops aren't made for you, they are made for developing countries. So while you may sarcastically think that it's unnecessary to swap out parts from one laptop and put them in another, especially when you can take it to a repair shop or send it back to the manufacturer, I hope you realize that for the intended markets of these computers, that isn't possible. (as an aside, I'm writing this from an XO-1 that I replaced the screen in, I'd like to see you do that to your own laptop)
      And as for the other AC claiming that fans can be good... I guarantee you the XO does not overheat. They have tested them at 68 C, far hotter than it would get in the real world http://www.olpcnews.com/hardware/screen/olpc_job_breaking_xo-1.html and considering the laptop is completely sealed, dust and sand are completely non-threatening, as is rain.
      The classmate has a lot to live up to if it wants to replace the XO.

    2. Re:Intel vs. OLPC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      And it has a cooling fan, so I don't think it's the best choice for places that are really hot, humid, and/or dusty.

      Not necessarily. Can be the opposite

      Yeah, can be but IS NOT in this case. We are not talking in the abstract, we are talking about the OLPC XO, which is in fact designed to run without a fan, and does in fact have a sealed case (even a sealed keyboard). When you fold down the antenna ears, you seal all the exposed ports. Check it.

      OLPC wanted super long battery life, and the low-power CPU turns out to be low-heat as well. OLPC accepted a slow CPU to gain durability and battery life.

      Intel, on the other hand, wanted to run Windows fast, above all else.

      The actual downside of fans is noise and failure rates.

      Never mind the noise, the failure rate is what they cared about. If you live in a hot climate, and the little cooling fan inside your computer dies as they always do, your computer is unusable. They didn't want that.

  8. When will people learn? by Yaztromo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the article:

    I can understand why a Windows environment would be considered desirable in an educational tool, since the children will be learning to use the OS and applications that theyâ(TM)ll be encountering in their adult life.

    That's quite the prediction there, predicting what OS is going to be in predominant use when today's 7-year-olds enter the knowledge workforce in 15+ years. And even if the author turns out to be correct, and Windows is still in predominant use beyond 2020, it's highly doubtful that whatever version is in use then is going to come close to resembling Windows XP.

    Really, at the age group these systems are targeted towards, the operating system shouldn't matter. The ideal of these systems isn't to teach operating system usage, but to use interactive applications for sharing information and teaching non-computer skills. You could do that with OS/2, and it's not going to impair anyone's ability to learn how to use an OS in the future. Heck, I started back at that age on a Commodore PET, and it certainly hasn't affected my ability to use a modern day OS.

    Yaz.

    1. Re:When will people learn? by Yaztromo · · Score: 3, Informative

      The current UIs sticking around is hardly unthinkable: Windows 95 came out 13 years ago, and someone who is used to 95 would find it extremely easy to pick up windows xp or vista.

      By 2020, the current Windows UI will be 25 years old. And one of the big complaints you tend to get from people who have moved directly from the Win 9X line to XP or Vista is that many of the default views (particularly the Control Panel's default view) has changed so drastically that it's difficult to figure out where to configure specific settings.

      So again, this is a completely useless reason for using Windows on systems designed for kids. I doubt the Windows UI is going to last 25 years without change -- and if it does, Microsoft will by then be so unimportant in the computing world that nobody is going to be using their OS anyhow.

      Yaz.

    2. Re:When will people learn? by $pace6host · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't know, Vista resembles win 95. The user differences are really not that different.

      You're right, at the heart, they're really not all that different. Would you say that Gnome or KDE is more or less different from Vista than Win 95 is different from Vista? With the tendency of all of the user interfaces to copy from one another, I think KDE and Gnome are probably closer to Vista than 95 was.

      Personally, I'd say that since most of the current user interfaces use the same basic window, icon, mouse/touchscreen/touchpad, pointer and keyboard paradigm, they'd leave any current student in about the same position for the world of 15 years from now -- and let us hope there's some progress made on user interfaces between now and then, both for Microsoft and competitors (proprietary AND free / open source).

      Like Yaz, I learned to use computers in the 80s on TRS-80, Apple IIe, and C64 computers - and I don't have a problem with Vista, Gnome, KDE or OSX today. Most of those systems didn't even have mice! The basic concepts are more important than the particulars.

  9. Re:Intel's parade? by rhyder128k · · Score: 3, Funny

    Those heartless corporate bastards at OLPC would love to steal some of Intel's glory by cloning their flagship humanitarian effort.

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  10. Re:OLPC is about the software, not the hardware... by deanston · · Score: 4, Interesting

    On a high level, yes, but the stumbling block up to this point is that they cannot figure the hardware piece out to make it cheap but good. For $200, my XO is barely better than a USB stick, and less than 6 months later, my iPhone is 10 time the 'computer' the XO is, with just half the screen. Not taking Steve Jobs' offer for FREE OS X and then substituting with XP is IMO the single greatest disservice to the high tech education of the children around the world whom the OLPC claims to want to help.