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Wizards of the Coast Declares Gleemax Site a Critical Failure

In a recent blog post, Wizards of the Coast Vice President of Digital Gaming Randy Buehler announced that they were killing their Gleemax social networking site. Originally designed to create a central hub where gamers could meet, discuss, and play games online, it has thus far been unable to deliver on the grandiose promises made at launch. "The mistake that I made, however, was in trying to push us too far too fast. I still think the vision for Gleemax is awesome: creating a place on the web where hobby gamers (or lifestyle gamers or thinking gamers, or whatever you want to call us) can gather to talk about games, play games, and find people to play games with. But I've come to realize that the vision was too ambitious. We've made progress down about ten different paths over the past eighteen months, but we haven't been able to reach the end of any of them yet."

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  1. you called it what??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sorry. There's a reason you failed. You called it Gleemax.
    Now, the internet is full of stupidly named stuff - a side-effect of trademark law, particularly in the American Corporate Reich, sorry "USA" - but gleemax is really dumb. Like having a disgusting headless dog with a leg bone jammed down its neck as your mascot dumb.

    Feminine sanitary towel with gentle vibrating action? Real estate that comes with free MDMA ? Either way, gleemax is a terrible name.

  2. Welcome to 2003, WotC by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Back then this COULD have taken off. But today, with a billion "social networking" sites (read: you make the content, I make the profit) around, hammering out yet another one is about as sensible as creating the better mousetrap or the better search engine. Yes, you could succeed. But the chances are so slim that you're better off trying something else. Why? Because EVERYONE does it. Everyone is out there creating the next better social networking page. With this bell or that whistle, but basically, in their core, they're just the same that myspace and its copycats have been for years.

    How about trying something new instead of trying to recreate something that has been done so many times over that nobody cares anymore?

    And no, I don't know what "something new" would be. If I did, I'd probably create it and become rich myself.

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  3. Makes sense by aztektum · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They roll out Tiny Adventures for Facebook (which is still having some issues it seems) then drop their social site. I wonder if this is part of a plan to focus on "apps" or ways of connecting to the already established bases of MySpace/Facebook?

    1) I'm sure more than a few D&D/P&P RPG fans are on those sites already.
    2) More visibility. Running your own site dedicated to just RPGs will only attract a certain crowd.

    Regarding #2, I'm slightly above "casual" P&P RPG follower, but I hadn't really even heard of their site until this /. posting.

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  4. wrong mistake by petes_PoV · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The mistake that I made, however, was in trying to push us too far too fast

    More likely the reverse was true. Not enough promotion (to the sort of people who would use it) or that they were turned off by what it offered, or how it was presented.

    You can never have too much progress, unless of course you outrun the capabilities of your website providers or programmers.

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    1. Re:wrong mistake by Boogaroo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, I never heard of it until today. Sounds like they did a great job letting people know about it.

  5. It failed... by RingDev · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After 2 years of being in 'alpha' status with nothing spent on advertising...

    hmmm. Imagine that.

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    1. Re:It failed... by IronChef · · Score: 4, Insightful

      After 2 years of being in 'alpha' status with nothing spent on advertising...

      hmmm. Imagine that.

      Wait, doesn't that work for Google's web apps?

  6. And they missed to target their top audience by anomnomnomymous · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Before this, I'd never heard of Gleemax, and apparently, so hasn't Slashdot:
    I find it quite weird that there doesn't seem to be a post about Gleemax in Slashdot's history: I wonder how many other sites they missed out on.

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  7. No Way To Start A Communiy Like Killing It by JeremyBanks · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For those who weren't members of the site, when they started their "Gleemax" project they replaced large numbers of the board staff, whom most members got along with well and respected, with new staff that nobody knew. The moderation process was changed, making it stunningly ineffective, and problems were handled in absurdly poorly-thought-out ways.

    Wizards of the Coast seems to be trying to do as much as possible to damage itself online. Magic Online v3 brought a new client that almost everyone hated, has compatibility problems galore and was still delayed for something like two years.

    It's pathetic.

  8. Another WOTC Net Blunder by Bieeanda · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Seriously, these guys need to stick with tabletop, and nothing else. They simply don't have the coders or IT staff to provide a product that is worth a damn. Cases in point:
    • Magic: The Gathering: On-Line. In and out of development Hell for years. Some interesting design decisions, like making 2D animations by stitching single-frame files together in a loop. Reinventing the wheel with an eye toward a triangle.
    • Wizards the Website: Guys. Seriously. If you're going to make content 'subscriber only' or 'log-in only', don't just stash it in a hidden frame. Geeks will find that shit faster than your kids figure out where the Christmas presents are hidden.
    • D&D Insider: Oh god, just watch this one yourself. It's happening in real-time. If they couldn't handle the rigors of setting up a simple social networking site, then their attempt to provide software worth $15/mo (plus microtransactions for silly gribbly bits) is doomed to death at the turning of the fiscal year. For something advertised as nigh-integral to the 4E experience, they've apparently got a handful of interns slaving away between bringing their bosses coffee.
      • It's clear that Wizards, like TSR before it, simply doesn't understand the technical issues inherent to developing for the Internet and computers in general. They have presentation down to a science, but they're in dire need of someone with experience to sit them down, shake them silly, and explain why it is vitally important to have an actual autonomous IT staff to develop these applications. Otherwise, we'll continue to see clueless mistakes like Gleemax being run into the ground by marketing and the accountants.
  9. Re:Already Exists by Casualposter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wizards being owned by HAZBRO has had a more deleterious effect on D&D than WOW.

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