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Case Against Video-Sharing Site Dismissed

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "A California copyright infringement case brought by an adult video maker against a video sharing web site, Veoh Networks, has been thrown out, based upon the 'safe harbor' provision of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act ('DMCA'). In a 33-page decision (PDF), the Court concluded that Veoh was covered by the DMCA, and had carried out its duties to comply with takedown notices in a reasonable manner. The Court rejected the plaintiff's arguments showing possible ways that users could do an end-around, saying that the law requires 'reasonable' compliance, rather than perfection, and noted that the DMCA is 'designed to facilitate the robust development and world-wide expansion of electronic commerce, communications, research, development, and education in the digital age'."

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  1. YouTube & Viacom Responses by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Informative
    I read this in Wired and found this quote from YouTube:

    "It is great to see the Court confirm that the DMCA protects services like YouTube that follow the law and respect copyrights," YouTube Chief Counsel Zahavah Levine said in a statement. "YouTube has gone above and beyond the law to protect content owners while empowering people to communicate and share their experiences online."

    And this quote from Viacom:

    "Even if the Veoh decision were to be considered by other courts, that case does nothing to change the fact that YouTube is a business built on infringement that has failed to take reasonable measures to respect the rights of creators and content owners. Google and YouTube have engaged in massive copyright infringement â" conduct that is not protected by any law, including the DMCA."

    Probably not far from what one would expect either to say but I'm afraid this isn't going to do much for YouTube.

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    1. Re:YouTube & Viacom Responses by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I read this in Wired and found this quote from YouTube:

      "It is great to see the Court confirm that the DMCA protects services like YouTube that follow the law and respect copyrights," YouTube Chief Counsel Zahavah Levine said in a statement. "YouTube has gone above and beyond the law to protect content owners while empowering people to communicate and share their experiences online."

      And this quote from Viacom:

      "Even if the Veoh decision were to be considered by other courts, that case does nothing to change the fact that YouTube is a business built on infringement that has failed to take reasonable measures to respect the rights of creators and content owners. Google and YouTube have engaged in massive copyright infringement â" conduct that is not protected by any law, including the DMCA."

      Probably not far from what one would expect either to say but I'm afraid this isn't going to do much for YouTube.

      eldavojohn, with all due respect..... do you seriously think that just because they put out conflicting press releases that somehow nullifies the power of this decision as a judicial precedent? Do you really think the judge in Viacom v. Youtube cares about the press releases?

      If so, I beg to differ. Not all the press releases in the world can deflect the clear and faultless reasoning exhibited by Judge Lloyd. We are having a sudden outbreak of sanity and respect for the plain meaning of statutes. This is so important. It is another nail in the coffin of the MPAA's frivolous suit against YouTube.

      IMHO.

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    2. Re:YouTube & Viacom Responses by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      eldavojohn, with all due respect..... do you seriously think that just because they put out conflicting press releases that somehow nullifies the power of this decision as a judicial precedent?

      Ray Beckerman, with all due respect, that is not at all how I see it. I have just resigned myself to the fact that a court case with a billion dollars at stake will not be lost because a California judge knocked down an infringement case about ten pornographic videos that were immediately taken down anyhow. Lawyers do not say goodbye to a billion that easily!

      You are the lawyer however! It would bring me great joy to hear otherwise but I would expect Viacom's lawyers to play the same card they played in their press release--attempting to convince the judge that there are too many differences between these cases to consider Io Vs Veoh to be precedence.

      It is another nail in the coffin of the MPAA's frivolous suit against YouTube.

      The MPAA has a suit against YouTube? What is it? All I know of is Viacom's suit and, though a member, they are not every single Movie Picture Association of America Member.

      Also, I think the 'nail in the coffin' phrase is being used to soon here. The cases I've been following seem to point to the entire US Justice System being in **AA's pet attack dog in witch trials. While there's been a few cases of common sense, the vast majority of cases are being settled out of court because the judge is a corporate pawn and insolent technology-wise.

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    3. Re:YouTube & Viacom Responses by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      eldavojohn, with all due respect..... do you seriously think that just because they put out conflicting press releases that somehow nullifies the power of this decision as a judicial precedent?

      Ray Beckerman, with all due respect, that is not at all how I see it. I have just resigned myself to the fact that a court case with a billion dollars at stake will not be lost because a California judge knocked down an infringement case about ten pornographic videos that were immediately taken down anyhow. Lawyers do not say goodbye to a billion that easily!

      Of course that is not why the YouTube case will be lost. The YouTube case will be lost because the California judge was right.

      You are the lawyer however! It would bring me great joy to hear otherwise but I would expect Viacom's lawyers to play the same card they played in their press release--attempting to convince the judge that there are too many differences between these cases to consider Io Vs Veoh to be precedence.

      Thing is, they can say anything they want to in a press release. In court, though, it's not so easy. If you make factual claims that aren't so, you will get burned. And if you make legal arguments that aren't supportable, you will get burned. Unfortunately, all Viacom has to work with is factual claims that aren't so, and legal arguments that aren't supportable. The end result of the YouTube case, if it is not settled, will be a multimillion dollar attorneys fee award against the plaintiffs.

      It is another nail in the coffin of the MPAA's frivolous suit against YouTube.

      The MPAA has a suit against YouTube? What is it? All I know of is Viacom's suit and, though a member, they are not every single Movie Picture Association of America Member.

      You are right, I stand corrected. I had remembered it as being a gang of plaintiffs, but actually it was just a few.

      Also, I think the 'nail in the coffin' phrase is being used to soon here. The cases I've been following seem to point to the entire US Justice System being in **AA's pet attack dog in witch trials. While there's been a few cases of common sense, the vast majority of cases are being settled out of court because the judge is a corporate pawn and insolent technology-wise.

      Well point me to some monstrous decision, of recent vintage, supporting your thesis (and in doing so please confine yourself to cases where the defendant could afford a lawyer).

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  2. so... by N!k0N · · Score: 4, Interesting
    it's OK to share pr0n, but not last week's episode of Southpark?

    I KNEW the lifeblood of the internet was pr0n!

    1. Re:so... by 77Punker · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, if you look at sites like puretna.com they have a list of video publishers whose videos you are not allowed to upload. I presume this is because they have been asked not to publish those torrents.

      It just looks to me like the porn folks aren't quite as sue-happy.

  3. Sweet! by Quasar1999 · · Score: 4, Funny

    From what I read in the summary, I assume this means free porn for all? Right???

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  4. Different results by Exanon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am sorry to be so cynical as to suggest that if the claim had been brought by the MPAA, the result would have been different.

  5. Contradictory laws by suck_burners_rice · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The DMCA should be repealed and replaced with a law that compels people to make illegal copies of copyrighted material. This way, if you obey this law, you'll be infringing on copyright. If you don't obey this law, you'll be breaking the law. Then, the government can selectively enforce one, the other, or neither, depending on who is friends with whom and deliberately messing with those who look at a government official or copyright holder the wrong way. Mutually contradictory laws are the only way to go in the new millenium, especially as our physicists learn the ins and outs of M-theory.

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  6. DMCA take down provision doesn't get enough credit by j0nb0y · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The DMCA take down provision doesn't get enough credit on /.

    While I'm no fan of the DMCA on the whole, I actually like the takedown provisions. They provide valuable protection for ISPs.

    My only problem with the provision is that in practice, it has been widely abused. The law itself provides a remedy against abuse. Those abusing the law can be charged with perjury. Unfortunately, no one has ever been charged with perjury for false take down notices, so the abuse continues. It would only take a few perjury charges a year to keep everyone honest...

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  7. Re:I like how they can skirt the laws by garett_spencley · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm not an expert but I do have a few points that might help you out.

    1) Prostitution laws vary greatly from one area to another. Even municipally. For example, my city issues escort licenses to effectively legalize prostitution and to "help protect the safety of sex workers" but street walking (the ones you see on tv where coked out whores are going up to cars) are still illegal. In some places it's ok to advertise but not to solicit directly. In other areas prostitution itself is legal but advertising it is not etc. So it's not as simple as "prostitution is illegal". It depends on the area and there are varying degrees of legality. The Wikipedia article on prostitution has lots more info.

    2) Pornography is considered an artistic expression and the US constitution and Canadian charter among other bill of rights in other countries protect free speech. In the 70's there were supreme court cases in the US that helped set precedent protecting pornography under the federal-granted right to free speech.

  8. Re:I like how they can skirt the laws by Krinsath · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I believe the loophole here is that there's a story (albeit a terrible, perfunctory one usually) and the sex is part of the this story. So they are not being paid "just" to have sex...they're acting and are being paid to be actors. Since restricting filmmakers from recording graphic sex in the course of a story is considered an infringement of free speech, that's why what appears to be plain old prostitution is legal.

    What I've always wondered is why prostitutes didn't set up a similar model. Obtain a business license to sell some sort of product like...I don't know...yarn. Have a certain price on the yarn like $300 and collect the appropriate taxes and what not on the yarn...after all, you're free to charge whatever you want for your products. After you sell an actual good, then have sex with the purchaser. They aren't paying you for sex, they bought item X and incidental to that purchase you decided to have sex with them. Much like the actresses in porn movies are not being paid to have sex, they're having sex incidental to their role as a character in a sexually-themed story.

    It'd be an interesting tactic, but meh...probably too much work for the average working girl I suppose. Easier to do it on the side and hope you don't get caught I guess.

  9. Re:WWW already provides free porn for all.. by Lando242 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Before that people went outside and got girlfriends.

  10. Re:I like how they can skirt the laws by ais523 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Allegedly a similar tactic used to be used by companies in the UK to sell goods on a Sunday (back when that was still illegal, which is way before I was born); they would sell perishable goods like fruit (which could be legally sold on a Sunday) for a lot more than its real price, and throw in whatever product they actually wanted to sell free.

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  11. Re:WWW already provides free porn for all.. by compro01 · · Score: 5, Funny

    And then traded photographs of them.

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