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5 Years of RIAA Filesharing Lawsuits

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "David Kravets of Wired.com, who provided in-person gavel-to-gavel coverage of the Capitol v. Thomas trial last year, takes stock of the RIAA's 5-year-old litigation campaign, concluding it is 'at a crossroads', and noting that 'billions of copies of copyrighted songs are now changing hands each year on file sharing services. All the while, some of the most fundamental legal questions surrounding the legality of file sharing have gone unanswered. Even the future of the RIAA's only jury trial victory — against Minnesota mother Jammie Thomas — is in doubt. Some are wondering if the campaign has shaped up as an utter failure.'"

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  1. Of course it's a failure by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Take a position not shared by 90% of your customers, and you're guaranteed failure. It really doesn't matter what the law says is right. It's economics, and the RIAA has failed or will fail, one way or the other.

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  2. The legality of file sharing? by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 5, Informative

    File sharing is perfectly legal, thankyou.

    1. Re:The legality of file sharing? by davester666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      File Sharing is WRONG! Think of all the unborn children of todays artists, that won't be able to ride the coattails of what their parents have done. Who will have to go out and get jobs and work for most of their lives. All because you won't pay for the songs their parents have written and recorded, and keep paying for those songs 70+ years after they have died.

      There no longer is any money to be made creating music because of YOU!

      I predict the entire music industry will be force to close up shop in 2-3 years tops. Then there will be no new music for anyone! And it's your fault!

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  3. NewYorkCountryLawyer .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... thanks, not only for the objective insight which permeates much of your postings, nor the informative summaries that accompany your submissions, nor even for the occasional comedic relief provided by your dry wit, but for writing a summary that *doesn't* end in a rhetorical question.

    (seriously, though, WTH do all the damn summaries end with rhetorical questions or even just plain rhetoric?

    1. Re:NewYorkCountryLawyer .... by CorporateSuit · · Score: 5, Funny

      seriously, though, WTH do all the damn summaries end with rhetorical questions or even just plain rhetoric?

      Oh the irony!

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    2. Re:NewYorkCountryLawyer .... by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, that was a good one.

      But why do I ask those questions?

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  4. What doubt? by Sockatume · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Some are wondering if the campaign has shaped up as an utter failure."

    Some?! Wondering?! To date they've convinced the internet audience they so desperately wanted that the entire music industry, most telecoms companies, and quite a few governments are a parade of cash-guzzling corporation-fellating litigation-whores, and done absolutely nothing to peer-to-peer file sharing itself. Where is there any room for doubt as to its failure? It's like trying to give a guy CPR, but realising after hours of effort that you've brutally beaten the guy and his entire living bloodline to death with their own shoes instead.

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  5. Pretty much fail by Etrias · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not sure how you could measure it by anything but a failure. All of the various ways of measuring it given by RIAA itself pretty much indicate failure.

    If they meant to reduce file sharing, total failure there as there's been no slowdown. If they meant to give back to the artists, failure on their part as any winnings/settlements has only gone to fund more litigation. Not only that, they only have one substantive win which may be declared a mistrial as the judge reconsiders his orders to the jury.

    The campaign is a failure. This would have been money better spent on actual innovation on distributing music.

    1. Re:Pretty much fail by thermian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The campaign is a failure. This would have been money better spent on actual innovation on distributing music.

      Actually, faliure or success depends on your viewpoint.

      From the viewpoint of stopping piracy the failure is total. However, from the viewpoint of the companies hired to monitor and pollute p2p networks, its been a financial success, they've made many millions. Lawyers too, they've raked it in.

      So failure is a matter of viewpoint. Hell, if I could have come up with some crackpot way to 'end piracy' I'd have sold it to them too and walked away richer, fully aware that all I sold them was snake oil.

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  6. A failure? by Stickerboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Depends on your perspective... definitely not a failure for the trial attorneys billing by the hour.

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  7. Of course it's a failure-Stardock. by Ostracus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think this guy said it best.

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  8. my direct experience with a large TV network by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I am a software engineer who shoots photography in a 'serious amateur' mode.

    like many, I have a public sharing site (I use flickr but others are basically the same kind of 'publish and show' concept).

    the cool thing about the public networking sites is the amount of eyeballs that view them.

    a few weeks ago, I got email from a representative from a cable tv network (a large well-known one that has a 3 letter 'call sign', sort of like how HBO uses 3 letters to ID their network. it isn't HBO but its along those lines and just about as big). the rep said that they found my photo (or set of photos) and thought they might be useful in a tv 'spot' that they were producing and airing in the next few months. they wanted to get my permission to use it in some way on their show.

    of course, I was flattered. I asked what their terms would be and what kind of payment they would have in mind. remember, this is a for-profit TV network (ie, not PBS) and they *should* have proper budget for things, even ancillary things like my still photo.

    well, we went back and forth on email for a few rounds and I even consulted some folks in the biz that are in touch with common practices in this industry. it turns out that, more and more, media companies are trolling the free photo sites and trying to take advantage of 'amateurs' by offering NO PAYMENT but only trinkets (tee shirts, comp dvd of the show, and stuff like that) but no payment, no royalties and basically asking for unlimited rights to do whatever they want with the work of art, even on 'future media types' not yet developed. perpetual license - and I, the artist, get spud-nutz (so to speak).

    is that fair?

    I hear all this talk, over and over again, about artists should be paid. so I returned the sentiment back to papa media and papa slammed the door in my face.

    I asked for a simple low-value (relatively) one-time payment and immediately the reply was 'sorry, but all the others we contacted offered their photos for free and we have no budget to pay guys like you'.

    I just LOVE this double-standard. when someone downloads a song for free, there are THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS being asked for in damages. but its ok for a major studio network to ask for FREE WORK even though its original, creative and of value.

    so, it seems, my photos won't be seen on that nationally airing show, but I also have what I wanted from this exchange. I sent a message, however small, that what's good for the goose is also good for the gander. I don't expect my protest to count for a lot, but I did what I could do and denied them free use of my creative work. I'm sure they'll move on to the next guy on the list but I have at last made my statement and stood my ground. and I still have the fun compliment of knowing they WANTED to use my work on national TV (and on the eventual dvd that always gets made from TV specials).

    do I have any more respect for the big media companies? in fact I have lost even more respect for them - and I didn't think that such a thing was mathematically possible.

    big media says artists should be paid. but they clearly don't believe this - my direct recent experience is proof of that.

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