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NASA Announces Next Mars Mission

Grant Henninger writes "Today, NASA announced their final selection for the Mars Scout 2013 mission: Mars Atmosphere and Volatile EvolutioN. MAVEN will provide the first direct measurements ever taken to address key scientific questions about Mars's evolution by measuring characteristics of its atmospheric gases, upper atmosphere, solar wind, and ionosphere. The mission, estimated to cost $485M, is scheduled for launch in late 2013."

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  1. Let me be the first to say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hoyven MAVEN!

  2. Wow by Konster · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wow, what a boring science mission.

    I say we attack them instead and keep the planet for ourselves.

  3. That's what these missions are ultimately for by Chris+Rhodes · · Score: 2, Funny

    NASA's Mars Exploration Program seeks to characterize and understand Mars as a dynamic system, including its present and past environment, climate cycles, geology and biological potential

    That means, How difficult is it to land troops?

    1. Re:That's what these missions are ultimately for by moniker127 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was thinking more along the lines of "How difficult is it to build condos"

  4. Obligatory by eclectro · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, but are they looking for oil?

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    1. Re:Obligatory by Jor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They are looking for water, which - when the oil runs out - is going to be a lot more interesting.

      Note: the vast majority of all fresh water processing is fueled by fossile fuel today (think sea water processing), so when the oil runs out, there is going to be a serious shortage in drinking water.

      I't wont even be the first war about water, but it may be the last one. Ever.

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      Jor
  5. measurement by freakdiablo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can we keep the same units of measurement this time? (That was a Mars mission right?)

    1. Re:measurement by neumayr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nope. SI units are a lot older than nine years, and confusing units on a mars mission deserves getting laughed at for at least a decade.

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      Truth arises more readily from error than from confusion. -Francis Bacon
  6. Re:Maven? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hmm... MAVEN? Does that mean anything? People who write acronyms contain so much fail.

    maven â"noun
    an expert or connoisseur.

  7. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news NASA has just issued a press release stating that the proposed $485M mission is already over budget.

    1. Re:In other news... by yourexhalekiss · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I actually cannot believe how inexpensive NASA's missions are. It costs just $485M to go to Mars, and how many billions or trillions of dollars to invade Iraq? Seriously, NASA's missions recently have been a bargain.

  8. What about digging too? by houbou · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I mean, I may not know much about space exploration, although I find the topic fun and interesting, but as they are planning this mission, which in effect is the studying of Mars atmosphere and weather, why not kill 2 birds with 1 stone and study Mars' crust or at least, something more like a few hundred feet into the ground itself?

    Whatever equipment they send, have a missile or something that can impact or dig into the soil, be launched from space directly onto Mars soil. The resulting hole that would be from could receive the visit from a drone, who could take samples and make various analyses. After all, the surface soil samples they've been doing, it's all nice and dandy, but the real story, I believe should be what's underneath it all.

    That way, they get data from the air and they get a sample of what Mars is made of down below. We may end up finding more resources available to help with towards a real man space exploration, as there may be resources awaiting to be utilized.

    Depending on cost, etc.., they may even be able to have key locations targetted for drilling and just have a drone in each location dropped.

    Gives a better perspective, might see some variations in what is found, depending on location..

    1. Re:What about digging too? by Konster · · Score: 5, Funny

      The Brits did something like that a few years ago...impromptu mission to study Mars surface via high energy impact. Beagle 2 was the name of the impact device.

    2. Re:What about digging too? by marco.antonio.costa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ok, ok, granted, I exaggerated to make a point, 1% was as low as it got, but nevertheless, it was unrealistically low. And as they racked up the interest back up they shouldn't be surprised when people started defaulting on their loans.

      If you want more of regulation, then you want more of this. Markets work to direct investment where it is needed pretty damn well, but if you have a central bank that keeps fiddling with the damn interest rates like a PS3 joystick, it is very unfair to point your finger at the 'free market' for fucking it up.

      For a more graphical comparison check this little article from Mises.org. Not a close fit as South America and Africa, but close.

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    3. Re:What about digging too? by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So many assertions, all based on people's political philosophy and not on data!

      I find the "oversight over the free market" comment more hilarious, though. Always the desire for some higher power, be it your parents, government, or God to come and save the day. If you have a government overseeing everything then you just have one big possible point of failure as opposed to just smaller points of failure.

      Look, I know you're probably young, idealistic, and ready to march to the polls ready to vote for Barack Obama like your sociology professor instructed you to do, but massive government oversight of peoples' lives and dealings, whether they be business or personal (not like the distinction is meaningful or real) is ever really a just or good idea.

      Business does not exist merely to serve you, although politicians may tell you otherwise. Learn that you are not the center of the world, that other people have a right to try to make money and improve their lives, even if it might mean that someone else can't be top dog, and maybe we'll be one tiny step closer to a freer country instead of one kept in the shackles of expecting a higher power to save us instead of doing what it's always done and making things worse.

    4. Re:What about digging too? by LordVader717 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you have a government overseeing everything then you just have one big possible point of failure as opposed to just smaller points of failure.

      Care to elaborate how the Credit Crisis is a "small point of failure"?

      but massive government oversight of peoples' lives and dealings, whether they be business or personal (not like the distinction is meaningful or real) is ever really a just or good idea.

      Yeah, because giving a democracy the power to do something as radical as keep a stable currency is such a huge intrusion. We should all be scribbling our own IOU's to pay for things. Works much better./sarcasm

    5. Re:What about digging too? by Kjella · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, an impact doesn't get you very far. Even the best bunker-buster bombs do only 20 feet of reinforced concrete, not sure how far they'd get in Mars soil but probably not that much further if it's mountains and they're not designed to expel things to the surface. Oh yeah and it'd weigh 4-5000 pounds. As you'd have to wait for a drone to get nearby (we're not that accurate and the drones not that fast) you'll probably get as much out of studying "new" meteor craters, if you only have a brush to take away any residue collected on the surface.

      What would be interesting is a drilling operation, but getting a drilling rig that could reach any real depths down there wouldn't exactly be an add-on task. One thing is the drill itself but in general a drilling rig requires some sort of cooling fluid and large amounts of power, both are very rare on Mars. The Rovers actually consume very little power, I don't remember the figure but it's not much. Just making a solar panel farm to power any sort of drilling would probably be an entire mission all by itself.

      However, just like oil companies we wouldn't want to drill where there's nothing interesting, so the real answer is probably reflection seismology. Drop a bunch of cheap redundant geophones, make the impact, record all the seismic data through some local wireless grid and send it to a C&C central that'll broadcast it back to earth. It shouldn't be that hard to make a "Mars Glider" instead of lander that'll drop the sensors and the impact can be pretty much anything. If it takes out some of the geophones that's acceptable too.

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    6. Re:What about digging too? by Raenex · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So many assertions, all based on people's political philosophy and not on data!

      So you follow that by spewing your own political philosophy without data as universal truth? The funny thing is the post you replied to was talking about data.

  9. Re:Maven? Really? by HasselhoffThePaladin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Try working in the DoD itself. You're presented with the full-retard breadth of bad acronyms on the daily. But when I try and be creative and come up with something like SADIST or SMEGMA, my boss just tells me to go back to my desk.

  10. A challange to NASA by linzeal · · Score: 5, Funny

    Have us engineering students, engineers and insane rocket enthusiasts/investors design a mission to mars using live animals to test as many technologies as possible before you even think of sending a human mission. We US engineers are either bored building endless varieties of consumer crap or worrying what are we will be asked to build in a war with Russia and Iran. I vote C, a moused mission to mars. Think of the merchandising!

    1. Re:A challange to NASA by FleaPlus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Have us engineering students, engineers and insane rocket enthusiasts/investors design a mission to mars using live animals to test as many technologies as possible before you even think of sending a human mission. We US engineers are either bored building endless varieties of consumer crap or worrying what are we will be asked to build in a war with Russia and Iran. I vote C, a moused mission to mars. Think of the merchandising!

      Actually, the Mars Gravity Biosatellite, a collaboration between MIT and Georgia Tech, is working on something analogous to what you describe. They aren't planning on actually sending it to Mars though, just Earth orbit:

      The Mars Gravity Biosatellite will carry a small population of mice to low Earth orbit aboard a spinning spacecraft creating "artificial gravity" equivalent to that on the Martian surface. The five-week mission will conduct the first in-depth study of how mammals adapt to a reduced-gravity environment. Groundbreaking data from this mission and its successors will be essential in determining future possibilities for human space exploration.

  11. Sometimes it seems... by blind+biker · · Score: 2

    ...that a good 10% of scientific work goes into inventing catchy acronyms :o) My boss is particularly good at this. And he has to, in order to secure the maximum amount of funding for our research. The catchier the better.

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    "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
    1. Re:Sometimes it seems... by flewp · · Score: 5, Funny

      CATCHIER:

      Catchy Acronyms That Can Help Increase Economic Resources.

      Yeah, I'm bored, and have spent too much time playing !acro on IRC.

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      WWJD.... for a Klondike bar?
  12. Where's the Kaboom? by Matt_R · · Score: 4, Funny

    There was supposed to be an earth shattering kaboom.

  13. Re:A challange to NASA - OBLIG by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 5, Funny

    Think of the merchandising!

    MAVEN - the toilet paper!
    MAVEN - the action figure!
    MAVEN - the breakfast cereal!
    MAVEN - the flame thrower! (the kids love this one)

  14. NASA official units of measurement by StrahdVZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    FTFA:

    the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter [...] camera can show Martian landscape features as small as a kitchen table

    Exactly how big is a kitchen table? Is it an official unit of measurement? While we're at it, how long is a piece of string?

    No wonder the original Polar Lander crashed...

    1. Re:NASA official units of measurement by plen246 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Avid /. readers will know to immediately convert the area in kitchen tables (Kt) to Cities of Bristol (Cb).

      1 Kt = 2.026e-8 Cb

      Of course, NASA should take pains not to confuse Kt (area) and kt (speed).

  15. Professor Frink? by AC-x · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Did they let professor Frink name this one?

    "Now I'd like to announce Nasa's new Mars spacecraft, the HOYVIN-Maven"

  16. Re:Maven? Really? by TobyRush · · Score: 2, Funny

    People who write acronyms contain so much fail.

    Mais Oui, especially when they appeaR to be Overtly creating the Name to fit the acronymS.

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    I will try them.
    You will see.
  17. Re:Money well wasted....again by meringuoid · · Score: 2, Informative
    Why the hell don't we spend that $458 million on developing something useful like...i dunno...a battery the size of a suitcase that can recharge in 1 hour and power a car for 250 mile at 70mph?

    Let's be really generous here and say you have the greenest car on earth and can get 50mpg at 70mph. That's 5 gallons of fuel, or 22 litres. That's already a respectable size for a suitcase. So if the most efficient car around running on hydrocarbon fuel can only just achieve your specifications, batteries haven't a prayer. I wish you luck with your research and development, but I don't think $458 million is going to achieve the order of magnitude improvement you seek.

    Or a hydroxy generating system that can power a home generator?

    Not sure what you mean by this, but if you mean what I think you mean then that's a perpetual motion machine. Splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen, then burning the gas to produce water again, can never give a net output of energy.

    Or a solar panel that is cheap enough for the average home owner to install and power their entire home?

    You may be surprised to learn that quite a lot of NASA's funding goes on photovoltaics research. Making them lighter and more efficient. They find it very useful for powering their spacecraft.

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