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Unholy Matrimony? Microsoft and Cray

fetusbear writes with a ZDNet story that says "'Microsoft and Cray are set to unveil on September 16 the Cray CX1, a compact supercomputer running Windows HPC Server 2008. The pair is expected to tout the new offering as "the most affordable supercomputer Cray has ever offered," with pricing starting at $25,000.' Although this would be the lowest cost hardware ever offered by Cray, it would also be the most expensive desktop ever offered by Microsoft."

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  1. This thing... by kidde_valind · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...is not actually a "desktop". It's not even "a" computer. It's a cluster, and Cray could definately do better than this. Especially considering Unisys has built computers (no, not clusters) with a lot of processors a long time, many of them Windows Capable. So... Cray builds a cluster, Microsoft gets some free ad space for HPC Server. Hooray!

    1. Re:This thing... by Fishbulb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes Cray could do better, but the Cray of today is not the Cray of yesterday.

      It's as close to 'in-name-only' as you can get, considering the number of times it's been bought off and fleeced.

  2. Poor Seymour by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The man is spinning in his grave!
    Just let Cray pass into history.

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  3. Re:Too dinosaurs working together. by digitalunity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You have to realize that communication between nodes in a cluster of off the shelf PCs is going to be much slower than the inter-node communication channels used in a Cray.

    Any work that requires a lot of communication will always run faster on a real supercomputer versus a cluster of PCs. There will always be a niche for Cray, but their prices will continue to go up as more and more of their repeat customers realize they don't really need what they're getting.

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  4. Re:What's the frame rate and resolution? by tjstork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Like the linux kernel developers are any better...every OS maker is greedy about increased CPU power. I first ran Linux in 1995 and it isn't that much faster now.

    Well, I guess if you want to go back to pine for mail, it might be pretty quick.

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  5. Re:What's the frame rate and resolution? by cduffy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Like the linux kernel developers are any better...every OS maker is greedy about increased CPU power. I first ran Linux in 1995 and it isn't that much faster now.

    Given that the Linux kernel is used in embedded systems with a tiny fraction of your desktop's RAM and CPU power, I'd call it pretty darned safe that the kernel isn't your problem. It's gotten somewhat bigger -- which is why 2.2 and 2.4 kernels are still in use in smaller environments -- but on any system with over 100MB of RAM, you're not going to notice.

    Now, if you want to complain about application developers taking advantage of hardware resources (inclusive of the GNOME and KDE folks, browser developers, and the like), feel free.

  6. Well, since you posted it twice..... by LibertineR · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...I'll give you an answer.

    not trolling boys, so relax, its an OPINION.

    For many of us coders, geeks and otherwise technically inclined here on Slashdot, this issue is one where for some, it is an emotional outlet, where few others exist. Others have issues pertaining to Sex, Families, LIFE, and other things to massage our emotional minds over.

    To many of us, Microsoft represents something we love to hate, because we can. There is a disconnect between what works in technology, and what works in business. Many of us downplay the importance of Marketing, Leverage, Tie-in, Competition Analysis, and other stuff you don't learn in your CS program, but only in Business school.

    We have a hard time seeing Microsoft as a business, responsible to its shareholders above all else, we embrace those orgs who see themselves as some kind of technical crusader, ready to right the wrongs in our industry, using truth, justice, and the American way.

    It is the rare geek who can get beyond the technical arguments and embrace the quite logical reasons for why Microsoft has so much marketshare today. The concept of "Barriers to Entry" is rarely discussed when pushing an alternative to MS Office, Exchange Server, or other Microsoft tools.

    Instead, we choose to blame the stupid CIO, who in a moment of insanity, decides to go with the Microsoft solution, like 90% of his peers, when he could be that brave, intrepid warrior for good, by going with Linux Servers, Open Office and more.

    I mean, who actually uses those integrated Calendar/Scheduling thingies anyway, dammit? If I want to book a conference room 2 weeks in advance, I'll hang a post-it note on the damn door! Easy, and I dont have to deal with integrity testing that blasted Exchange database!

    You see, there is nobility in suffering.

    If it takes me a week to get my DVD-RW to burn disks under Linux, who cares, if I am a better person for the effort?

    It is simply a case of the quest for perfection acting as an enemy of the "good enough".

    This is a highly simplistic argument, tonque in cheek, and all that, but true.

    And, as always, I got karma to burn bitches, so if you disagree, give it your best shot!

  7. Re:What's the frame rate and resolution? by Ana10g · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What's amusing about the text from that link is the statement about skills. Specifically:

    This solution tightly integrates with existing desktop Windows infrastructures, allowing users to extend desktop technology and skills to the realm of HPC computing.

    The users shouldn't be anywhere near this system in a desktop environment! The skills needed for a desktop application DO NOT APPLY to HPC computing!

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