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To Purge Or Not To Purge Your Data

Lucas123 writes "The average company pays from $1 million to $3 million per terabyte of data during legal e-discovery. The average employee generates 10GB of data per year at a cost of $5 per gigabyte to back it up — so a 5,000-worker company will pay out $1.25 million for five years of storage. So while you need to pay attention to retaining data for business and legal requirements, experts say you also need to be keeping less, according to a story on Computerworld. The problem is, most organizations hang on to more data than they need, for much longer than they should. 'Many people would prefer to throw technology at the problem than address it at a business level by making changes in policies and processes.'"

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  1. Easier to keep by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is that it's easier to just archive the cruft stuff than it is to go through it all and figure out what's worth keeping.

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    1. Re:Easier to keep by Daimanta · · Score: 5, Insightful

      True, proper archiving takes huge amounts of time since it adds overhead to your operation.

      In an ideal world, everything that you store is automatically labeled and old data will automagically be purged. But storing all kinds of shit is just that much easier. It also doesn't help that data storage is so dirtcheap. 1TB can be bought for around $100 if I am not mistaken. It doesn't pay to kill old useless stuff you have floating on your hard disk.

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    2. Re:Easier to keep by Sobrique · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Add to that legal requirements of retention - you'll need to filter your 'customer communications' from your 'shopping lists'. That's what actually makes this a nuisance - the possibility that there will be legal action in 5 years time, that you'll need to fight.

      Yes, less data need to be kept, but first there needs to be a _massive_ re-education of the 'data packrat' culture that the users of it have.

    3. Re:Easier to keep by sunking2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Cheaper to keep. Every hour I waste cleaning house costs more than it does to keep it stored. Storage continues to get cheaper, salaries typically don't. Sure, that $1.25M is a big scary number. But nothing compared to the salaries/benefits at a 5000 person company. Now you can argue the cost of data retrieval goes way up because chances are it'll take a hell of a lot longer to find, but that's a different argument altogether and you can just as easily question what the cost of not being able to recover something that was cleaned by accident is.

    4. Re:Easier to keep by daeg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The bigger problem is that you will fight different battles. If you're fighting a sales rep that sold your clients to a competitor, you want as much ammunition as possible. If a client is suing you for incorrect information relayed 8 years ago and you're probably guilty, you want as little information as possible.

    5. Re:Easier to keep by COMON$ · · Score: 3, Interesting
      What I want to know is how these numbers are broken down. $5 per gigabyte to back up? Maybe if you factor in the cost of a robotic library. Considering that tapes currently run about $30 a pop for for 800GB and that I am on a 12 month rotation, I still don't come NEAR that price. 1.25 million for a 5000 person company? What kind of company? 10GB average is about 9GB over my average user here. Even when I worked at a larger company, we still weren't even breaching 700MB average INCLUDING e-mail.

      Lovely scaremongering, but what did they mean by legal e-discovery? The time it takes to sort through the data or what?

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    6. Re:Easier to keep by Chrisq · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We went paperless, and when application forms, etc. arrive they are scanned and stored. Examination of the data shown that very often people would print out all the existing infromation on a customer and add it to the pile sent for scanning.

      Result, look up a customer and you would find some files scanned half a dozen times.

    7. Re:Easier to keep by BobMcD · · Score: 3, Interesting

      you'll need to filter your 'customer communications' from your 'shopping lists'

      Actually, I thought it was a fairly common legal tactic to make the data as difficult to actually find as possible, without revealing too much to the other side.

      "They want records from three years ago? Send a truck with printouts of all the files we have, that'll keep them busy..."

      Does anyone know that this is no longer the case?

    8. Re:Easier to keep by vvaduva · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, I did not RTFA in detail but it does not seem to address key regulations like HIPAA and SOX which put hard numbers on data retention. So whether or not it's expensive, you have to do it if you want to be legit. If the issue is discovery, a sound archival system will eliminate expenses related to discovery and would allow one to provide requested information very quickly and efficiently. I say let the legal people fight discovery requests and unless you have something to hide, stick with the requirements for archival and retention. The argument "the less you keep the less they ask for" is simply stupid. In certain SOX-related situations, even the appearance of impropriety will come back to bite you, so I always tell folks to do the right thing, by running your business properly, identifying document types correctly and sticking to regulatory requirement as much as possible.

    9. Re:Easier to keep by cmause · · Score: 5, Interesting
      There used to be a sort of gentlemen's agreement between attorneys to not dig in to electronically stored information (ESI). That was back when everything important ended up on paper anyway, which was discoverable.

      As time went on, fewer things ended up on paper, but the rules of discovery didn't evolve. That was the time of backing up a U-Haul full of printed out copies of every file, e-mail, etc. that a company had. Now the opposition had to dig through mounds of trash in the hopes that they will find that one incriminating document.

      Then attorneys got more savvy, and in the so-called Rule 26 (refers to the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure), the attorneys would agree on the format of ESI to be exchanged. In December, 2006, the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure changed to directly address ESI and electronic discovery.

      Now, in litigation, parties may still get obnoxious amounts of data, but it's electronic. Once it's processed and converted (usually to TIFFs with extracted text, but sometimes PDF), attorneys can do what amounts to a Google search through the files and find what they want pretty quickly. In fact, paper documents are usually scanned and OCRed so they can be handled and searched in the same manner.

      Actually, I thought it was a fairly common legal tactic to make the data as difficult to actually find as possible, without revealing too much to the other side.

      "They want records from three years ago? Send a truck with printouts of all the files we have, that'll keep them busy..."

      Does anyone know that this is no longer the case?

      So no, it's no longer the case. But the first guy who did it must have thought he was pretty funny.

  2. Huh? by qoncept · · Score: 4, Insightful

    $250k a year for a 5000 employee company? To put it in perspective, if the average employee at this company is making $60k a year, this company will be paying $1.5 billion in salaries over the same 5 years. To be fair, I think the estimated cost from the article is very much underestimated. But while corporate storage costs more than you'd think, and companies are definately storing a whole bunch of data they don't need, what about the costs of reviewing and purging that data? That is straight up time, whether it's reviewing existing data or spending the time to create guidelines for which data to keep. And time costs money. More than storage.

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  3. 10 GB user data? Not likely by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    10 GB of data per user, sure.
    10 GB of user data, no way.
    If assuming 300 work days per employee, that would mean that the average employee creates 1.2 kB of data per second.

    The only way this could be true is if you count data that isn't user generated, and they count the total data storage for the company and divide it by employees.
    If so, users deleting their e-mails won't have much of an effect.

  4. It's not the storage... it's the apps by paulhar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apps aren't really well designed for this in mind. They don't come at the problem from a "document lifecycle" perspective but instead a "document creation".

    This is generally because data has a variable lifespan. Lets take an email as part of a project as an example. As the author I may decide that the email isn't needed after a week so set an expiry of 1 week. But you, as the recipient, may take that email and turn that into several tasks so for you the email is much more important and thus want to keep it for much longer.

    Users aren't really going to be good at making these decisions unless some application continually bombards them with "go check the status of these 1000 documents you've got".

    1. Re:It's not the storage... it's the apps by ubercam · · Score: 3, Informative

      Users aren't meant to be making those decisions, the Records Management department should be... that is if you even have one! If you leave everything up to the users, you WILL have a cluster fuck of records.

      I work in Records Management at a large company with many different divisions in diverse fields. RM is completely left up to us. We manage well over 10,000 boxes and there's only 3 of us. We alone determine when something is to be destroyed (but require authorization from dept heads to be shredded), how long it's kept, etc.

      Disclaimer: We work mainly with paper records, but the exact same principles apply to electronic records.

      You need a retention schedule. Look at your national, state/provincial and municipal laws to determine the minimum legally required length of time each TYPE of record is to be kept. Employee time cards are different from pension plans, sales invoices and legal files. It's not *always* 7 years either. Some are less, some are more, some are permanent. Also, you don't have to shred when the law says it's time if there's a valid business reason to keep that set of records. I mean, let's get this straight. You don't HAVE TO shred at all, but you're digging yourself a deep hole if you do... "You can get in just as much trouble by keeping records too long as you can by destroying them too quickly." - Dr. Mark Langemo

      If this was all left up to individuals, they would just keep everything. I've seen what this is like, and it's pathetic, maddening and counter productive. Things must be properly named and catalogued down to the file level when put in storage, or you will NEVER find ANYTHING without an exhaustive search EVERY time. It might be alright when it's on your desk or in your local filing area and you know what's where, but when you archive it, you can't assume the guy looking for your file you need knows anything about it. We need explicit details or else we can't help you. At my company we require everyone to fill out a nice sheet detailing the contents of their box, the type of records, dates (most remember dates above all else), sender's name, dept, etc.

      We are by no means a perfect operation here, but we're far better than 90% of other companies out there.

      There is a series of excellent seminars done by Dr. Mark Langemo (sorry no links) to teach you how to deal with records. Also check out ARMA International if you're looking to get in touch with other Records Managers in your area. They have local chapters all over the place.

      To summarize, if your company doesn't have a Records Manager, HIRE ONE NOW and give him/her the resources to get your records under control! Check out ARMA, they have jobs posted on their site. There are also many companies out there that will help you clean up your stuff and get you started on the right track.

  5. Re:hmm by NoisySplatter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not so much that you want your company to have a leg to stand on, its that you don't want your legal opposition to get their foot in the door. Innocent until proven guilty remember?

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  6. Re:hmm by MrMr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The top 500 company I worked for did just the opposite: Destroy all data in case a legal issue comes up.
    They called it 'desk cleanout day', and unless you were an official dedicated contact on a particular subject you were to wipe all correspondence of more than a year old.
    (There were also other grades of information, but erase after a year was the default).

  7. Email Attachments by whisper_jeff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know what most major companies' policies are regarding backing up emails (just back up the text or back up emails plus attachments) but, as but one example, I'm sure this would be an easy spot for most companies to dramatically reduce the amount of storage space required. Most business communications I see from corporate personnel have various attachments on every email - things like logos, custom backgrounds, etc. Forget getting rid of all the unnecessary attachments - getting rid of the "look at my pretty email that looks like a page from a spiral-bound notebook with my company logo at the bottom" images, and the hundreds and thousands of duplicates of those images, would reduce storage requirements, bandwidth requirements, and probably make corporate communications look more, you know, professional. So many emails are filled with unnecessary garbage and, if that's being backed up, that garbage can get costly.

    Then again, I'm biased - I believe email should just be pure text. Perhaps that's a sign that I'm now old...

  8. Re:It depends upon business by PainKilleR-CE · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Additionally, there are many businesses that don't understand their data retention requirements beyond 'we need to keep some data for 10 years', so instead of compartmentalizing their data and saying 'keep this for 10 years, that for 5 years, and purge this every year and that every 3 months', they just keep everything. Further, if they have a data retention requirement for 3 years or 10 years, they might wait longer before purging it just because it's easier to keep it then it is to go find and remove the 5 or 12 year old data.

    I only recently organized some data being maintained by the company I work for that was basically divided into 'archived' and 'live' data, logs generated by a many-user application. The 'archived' data went back 4 or 5 years with no easy distinction between data that was many years old and data that was generated in the most recent archive. Now at least the data is sorted by date (and being archived by date), so that when someone decides on how long we want to keep it (they can't seem to make up their mind, and while everyone seems to agree that we don't need data from 2005 and earlier, no one's willing to say I can delete it, either), it won't be hard to dump the older data at least on an annual or semi-annual basis.

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  9. Yes--deleting costs money! by mkcmkc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I did a back-of-the-envelope calculation on just this question in 2004, and estimated that file deletion was not productive unless we could do it at a rate of at least 17MB per minute (of labor). Four years later the threshold is probably at least 45MB per minute.

    Generally, this means that if we can blow away whole disks or huge directories of data, it may pay off. Users going through their files one by one is usually an absolute waste.

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  10. Mod parent way up! by khasim · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Congratulations. You're the first person I've seen who understands that.

    Accounting understands the need to close one year and open the next. They have processes for what is carried over and how it is identified.

    Yet no other department (or application) understands the need to close old data and archive it.