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Graduate Student Defends Right To Own Chicago2016.com
An anonymous reader points to a story in the Chicago Tribune about another domain-name battle. Quoting the article: "As Chicago wages its battle to host the 2016 Olympics, it also finds itself scrapping over a valuable piece of cyberspace: the domain name of Chicago2016.com. The bid team along with the U.S. Olympic Committee are trying to wrest that online address from Stephen Frayne Jr., a 29-year-old MBA student. Frayne snagged it back in 2004, about two years before the bid was launched. ... 'We certainly see Chicago2016.com as the logical default domain for our site, and we believe having someone else control it is misleading for people seeking information about Chicago's bid,' said Patrick Sandusky, a spokesman for Chicago 2016, a moniker protected by trademark."
This does not a case of someone trying to make a buck on the name. It looks like someone smart who registered a domain name for the purpose of discussion. The domain is not parked, not defamitory and is in use. Case closed. If this he looses his domain name, then who is next?
Yes, let's start giving out numeric tld's. There's no way that would ever conflict with IP addresses.
I can understand the notion that people who snipe domains associated with trademarks generally can't hold on to them. The idea that one can seize a domain that has been owned longer than a given trademark has existed seems downright dangerous, however.
The notion is awfully close to essentially saying that anybody who can't afford a stable of relevant lawyers can have domain names taken at the whim of those who can, which is rather an ugly idea.
a spokesman for Chicago 2016, a moniker protected by trademark.
Awww, isn't it too bad that trademarks don't give you retroactive ownership of whatever you like? Next time, check BEFORE you secure the trademark to see if it's already available. In fact, I bet they did- and just assumed they could take it over, just like how the IOC and USOC shut down everything named "olympic", even stuff that was named because said business was near a (different) Mount Olympus.
Raise your hand if you're completely fed up with the Olympics. Raise your hand if you think it's time that the IOC/USOC-bought legislation "protecting" the Olympic "trademark" was repealed.
Please help metamoderate.
chicago2016.org already contains an official site, so I cannot understand why they have to have the .com site as well. I am not a fan of domain squatters, but I am only for kicking someone off of their domain when there is blatant demonstrated abuse of the system and when no other alternatives are available. This does not appear to be the case here.
Since when can someone snatch a trade name (which is basically what a domain name is), just because it "fits"??
The old rules basically were: if you registered a name first, it was yours, unless it could be construed as misleading or confusing to consumers (i.e., confusing one product for another), based on someone else's EXISTING name.
This might not be the best example, but a rocket and a tennis shoe could both be called "Nike", even though they were otherwise unrelated, because there was little possibility of confusion.
Chicago did not have the name first. If the goddamned business people would have some foresight, they would have grabbed such names when they started thinking about bidding for the Olympics... not years later after someone beat them to it. I do not see where there is any legal principle that says, "We didn't think of it then, but it obviously should be ours, so we want to take it now!"
I call "sour grapes". They fucked up, and now want to take advantage of someone who was smarter than they were. That does not a legal case make. If they want to make money on the name, then grab the name first! Why should they take precedence over someone with more business-savvy then they have?
Dear Marketing Wonks:
The next time you come up with some brilliant idea or name the FIRST thing you should do is perform a domain name lookup to see if your name is already taken. If it isn't then you should register it immediately! Do not wait until you make the presentation. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. Trying to retroactively take a domain name from some guy who snatched it up because you were too lazy to register it makes no sense. If you have some brilliant idea then chance are there are about 2,000 people out there with the same idea. Cover your ass and do your homework. That is all.
Signed,
The Internet
Why shouldn't the olympics take the .org and leave him with the .com? Are the olympics listed officially as a for-profit business?
The IOC or Chicago 2016 should hire this kid. He's clearly quicker than their people, and if he's getting an MBA he's probably qualified to do _something_ in their organization (like "supervise" a project completely outside his realm of competence). Make one of the conditions of his ludicrously high contract payments that he surrenders the domain, everybody wins (except for people who want the Olympics to be about something other than corruption and greed, but that's already a lost cause).
Try not to take me more seriously than I take myself.
. . . . is what will kill America.
Meh... it's 2008. Who manually types in domain names anymore?
I'll admit, it took me a while to start omitting the "http://www..." part, but as soon as I switched to Firefox, I very quickly gave up on typing out full or even partial domain names. I fully abuse Firefox's "awesome bar" to get me where I want without having to remember whether the site I need used a .org, .cc, .com, or .net, whether there were deliberate misspellings or additional words in the domain name, or other such arbitrary designations.
Here's my point. If you type "Chicago 2016" into a search bar (Firefox uses Google by default), you will find relevant Olympic information *in context*, if not an official website! There is a much lower chance of stumbling onto a misleading page, designed by someone who managed to snag an arbitrary domain name first, because a search will show you a community consensus of what the "real" sites are ("Google bombs" and the like notwithstanding, though they remain an important counter-argument to my case).
Hopefully you already know this stuff, but show it to a non-techie friend or a family member sometime. It'll blow their minds ("Are you hungry? Why don't you type 'Pizza hut' into this bar here...). Plus it'll save you from having to clean all the adware and pornware they would have otherwise got by wandering onto onto the wrong page and clicking one too many false links (try pizzahut.net).
There's no reason to randomly try domain names when half the Internet is already indexed for you. Cybersquatting should be obsolete.
$comment =~ s/k\s(an.*com)/k\sat\s\1's/
$comment="I could get a great look an MBA by sticking my head up his ass, but I'd rather take Chicago2016.com word for it\n";
print $comment;
$comment =~ s/k\s(an.*com)/k\sat\s\1's/;
print $comment;
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I could get a great look an MBA by sticking my head up his ass, but I'd rather take Chicago2016.com word for it
I could get a great looksatsan MBA by sticking my head up his ass, but I'd rather take Chicago2016.com's word for it
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Bizarrely (and I'm sure no one will believe this), my friend is working for this particular grad student doing translation for one of his other sites. He does seem to be legitimately trying to build them into actual discussion forums on the pros and cons of the Olympic bid cities.
I believe that. I work in internet marketing company and know MFA (Made For Adsense) along with other kinds of ad-sites pretty well. I expected to see that site coated with AdSense, iSell or something that most people (even most slashdotters, from what I've seen) don't recognize as ads. Pay-Per-Post articles, Tradedoubler text links, etc...
I know that if I had that domain, I could propably have earned some 30k just from this slashdot link alone, no problem. And then all other news sources that must have linked to it? This domain could be used to make A LOT of money. After everything, it could be sold for tens of thousands of more just because it would have massive pagerank.
But what? The site is actually active and has none of these. He can't be just "Waiting and missing 100k profits for some good PR...". If earning money was his main goal, he would either not be waiting or he would be really stupid.
I do not see where you get that he is a domain squatter? As has already been stated here, he registered the domain two years before they even announced the bid and he also seems to be legitimately using the site as a forum to discuss the pros and cons of the Olympics.
So really, your two face comment makes no sense. This is a case of Slashdotters actually reading the article and looking at the evidence before them instead of automatically crying foul one way or the other.
Anyone got a light for my sig?