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Comcast Discloses Throttling Practices

Wired reports that Comcast finally provided information on its network management practices late Friday. In a report to the FCC (PDF), the cable company admitted to targeting P2P protocols Ares, BitTorrent, eDonkey, FasTrack, and Gnutella. Quoting: "For each of the managed P2P protocols, the [Sandvine Policy Traffic Switch] monitors and identifies the number of simultaneous unidirectional uploads that are passed from the [Cable Modem Termination System] to the upstream router. Because of the prevalence of P2P traffic on the upstream portion of our network, the number of simultaneous unidirectional upload sessions of any particular P2P protocol at any given time serves as a useful proxy for determining the level of overall network congestion. For each of the protocols, a session threshold is in place that is intended to provide for equivalently fair access between the protocols, but still mitigate the likelihood of congestion that could cause service degradation for our customers."

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  1. Re:Now what will happen? by BorgDrone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That is better because now consumers can make an informed decision when choosing a internet provider.

    An 'unlimited' internet connection at an affordable price may look like a good deal but if you knew in advance it was actually limited in some way you might have chosen another provider with a better offer. Now at least you know what you're getting for your money and you can make a fair comparison between different providers.

    This improves transparency and thus competition and ultimately benefits the consumer.

  2. Re:Now what will happen? by jonaskoelker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Comcast will enforce bandwidth caps. How's that better than throttling?

    1. You're told up front what the limits are.
    2. It's not discriminating against any application, not even the legal ones.
    3. It's fairly generous: 250 gigs lets you download at 0.77878308 megabit/s 24/7 (thanks, GNU units), or 8 gig per day. Plenty enough for a few aptitude full-upgrades, some online gaming and downloading a new distro to try out, plus some video to watch.

    Even if it turns out that 250 gig limits make for a shitty service, at least Comcast are honest about the limits they put on you, so you know what you're buying and you can take the limits placed on you into account when deciding what to download.

  3. Almost Worse than Legalese by whisper_jeff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You have to love how the text is carefully crafted to be virtually incomprehensible to the average person. Actually, check that - totally incomprehensible to the average person and virtually incomprehensible to all but the hardest core network tech geeks. Of course, it's intentional because saying, simply, "we slow down users who utilize programs we don't like" is too easy to understand and rally against, which, of course, is exactly the opposite of what Comcast wants. This Byzantine text just sounds like a lot of techno-mumbo-jumbo so it has to be ok, right? Thankfully, Slashdot is filled with hard core network tech geeks so I'll be reading comments with interest to get an informed synopsis rather than staring at Comcast's text and thinking "huh?"

  4. Take it, leave it, or leave it by tepples · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That is better because now consumers can make an informed decision when choosing a internet provider.

    Only one high-speed Internet provider offers service in many areas of the United States (home of Slashdot). This means choosing a high-speed Internet provider is like choosing any other public utility such as your power or water provider. What recourse do people dissatisfied with a public utility have?

    you can make a fair comparison between different providers.

    You get this provider if you live here; you get that provider if you live there. Should people really be choosing where to live based on the only ISP that isn't dial-up?

    1. Re:Take it, leave it, or leave it by Klaus_1250 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The US is a capitalist economy, right ? Isn't the market supposed to fix this ?

      Free markets do not work like that. Free markets fix things when there is an substantial economic incentive. Broadband infrastructure is expensive, time-consuming to lay down, dominated by strong players with political capital and related technology changes rapidly. Given those, why would the free market invest (tens of) billions of dollars in a long term, difficult and risky project? If you have billions of dollars, there are many many more ways to make more money in much less time. Free markets don't magically fix things for consumers. Free markets are about providing the opportunity for capital to move freely and as a result, make the best use of said capital. That's it. The issue is that people apply all kinds of benefits to "best use", as in no monopolies, cheap products, etc., which just isn't how it works. Especially not in the short term.

      I also live in a small city in the Netherlands btw. I can choose dozen of ISP's, but only one which is faster than 8 Mbps. Not sure about the figures, but despite what the OPTA (Dutch Telecom Watchdog) says, there does exist a monopoly for "fast" internet in a considerable part of the Netherlands (wet finger approach: 25-35%). And moving to an area with faster internet??? That is rather a ridiculously expensive solution.

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    2. Re:Take it, leave it, or leave it by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "The US is a capitalist economy"

      Oh my god, that's *so *CUTE !!!!

      The US, if you hadn't heard, is what we call a "mixed economy" -- with an interesting mix:

      Profits are held by private individuals, and losses are distributed among the general public via bailouts, etc.

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    3. Re:Take it, leave it, or leave it by mc6809e · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Profits are held by private individuals, and losses are distributed among the general public via bailouts, etc.

      Oh bullshit.

      Profits are divided between the individual and the state. Losses are almost always suffered by the individual. How often does the state step in to help bailout any business? You think AMD is going to get a helping hand if they go under? Did Pets.com get any help? Mostly the government says "suck it" if you fail and "gimme" when you succeed.

      As for the recent "bailouts", it's going to be the profitable and well-off being taxed to bailout institutions that gave money away (rich people's money, mostly) to that part of the general public that is never going to pay that money back.

      Fuck. The might as well have just increased income taxes and handed the money directly to those with bad credit. They could have avoided the charade of mortgages, etc, and just called it welfare and subsidized housing.

  5. Re:Bullshit.. by stevey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not an American - so my understanding may be off.

    I thought "Free Speech" meant literally that you couldn't be arrested for saying "stuff".

    Specifically it doesn't mean:

    • You have a right to yell "fire" in a cinema.
    • Whatever you want to say has to be listened to by anybody.
    • That your words must be broadcast as far as you want them.
    • That people must obey your commands.

    So, with that in mind. How is imposing a bandwidth cap in any way related to free speach?

    Sure I could see if they didn't let you visit some, politically derived, blacklist of websites then you could argue they were suppressing some topics. But otherwise?

    Hyperbole - and the more times you do that the less people pay attention. Cry Wolf, anybody?

  6. Re:Now what will happen? by Twanfox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The idea isn't to guarantee the service you would want to have in your wildest dreams. It is to receive all terms and conditions prior to sale so that you can make an informed decision. It is fraud prevention.

  7. Re:Evil from cable companies? Nevar. by theskunkmonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People forget what "unlimited" Internet means when used in marketing access plans. Back in the "old" days, your connection to the Internet was metered by time since everyone pretty much got the maximum available and you didn't have bandwidth tiering you have with today's massive capacities. You usually had X hours of service per month in your plan. This is the "limited" part of the sales pitch. Eventually the ISPs were able to offer "Unlimited" access, meaning you could leave it on 24/7 all month and only pay the monthly fee.

    Now some people are clamoring that they were sold "Unlimited" service and they are being cheated. Bullshit. Your still allowed to stay connected for an "unlimited" amount of time which is exactly what your paying for and my guess is that your service contract states this, you get X bandwidth available 24/7. Even then, that 24/7 isn't guaranteed but it's the exception not the rule when there's a problem with connectivity [Insert chosen ISP bashing here].

    I'm not saying this is a Good Thing(TM), but it's not like anyone has been cheated. It's just been a case of very slimy marketing by the ISPs.

  8. Actually, this was put in place to HELP VoIP by nweaver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This was put in place per Comcast's talk at the IETF largely to IMPROVE VoIP service from Vonage et al. You look back to 2006, before this was deployed, and there were lots of complaints about "Comcast is disrupting Vonage and other voip services..."

    Those complaints largely dissapeared after Comcast started policing P2P uploads.

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  9. Re:Evil from cable companies? Nevar. by poetmatt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Okay, simple example.

    Just like their "up to" line, they want to advertise more than they can do while lying, as many businesses do. This is like having a 160mph speedometer on a bicycle. Sure, you can do up to 160mph, or have unlimited usage, but they hid the reality, which is "no, you can't have what we promised or else we will disconnect you".

  10. They don't Throttle, they Forge Reset Packets by corsec67 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Per that PDF, on page 10 Comcast described how they "delay" the packets, using "reset packets." Stop letting them get away with calling forging reset packets "throttling". Instead, they are blocking connections via forgery.

    Except, they admit that packets with the reset header are only supposed to be used by the two end computers, and not by any of the routers in between, which should be handled by ICMP.

    They say, in that pdf, "As used in our current congestion management practices, the reset packet is used to convey that the system cannot, at that moment, process additional high-resource demands without creating risk of congestion.", which is just crazy.
    Reset isn't a "slow down" message, it is a "stop sending me any kind of data on this connection" message.

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