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RIAA Loses $222K Verdict

jriding writes "The $222,000 verdict against Jammy Thomas for copyright infringement by P2P is no more. US District Court Judge Michael Davis dismissed the verdict, saying it was based on the faulty 'making available' theory of distribution."

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  1. Good for her by fewnorms · · Score: 4, Interesting

    About time the RIAA loses a big case like this, and have the public know about it. Bunch of crooks...

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    1. Re:Good for her by orclevegam · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Ok, fine, we'll see if we can tighten up the math a bit. To start with, according to a article on /. from a while back, the RIAA since 2003 has filed 28000 lawsuits. According to this PDF I found based on public available tax data, court records, and a bit of extrapolation it costs an average of 3112.26 per case to bring a civil case to trial in NJ (assuming similar cost in other states). This figure does not take into account the costs to both parties in terms of legal fees, and costs involved in maintaining the buildings, hiring more people to handle extra case load, or social cost involved in displacing other court cases. The same PDF also lists the average cost for settling via arbitration to be 1296.81 per case.

      Lets assume that 75% of the cases are settled out of court (I've no idea how many have actually gone to trial of the 28000). This gives us 21000 settlements, and 7000 trials. Lets also assume that it costs on average 20000 to hire a defense lawyer (and that's probably at the low end). Based on these numbers we come to the following totals:

      Cost to the public to settle cases: 27,233,010 (not including infrastructure costs)
      Cost to the public to prosecute cases: 21,785,820 (once again not including infrastructure costs)
      Total taxes wasted: 49,018,830
      Cost to defend against RIAA lawsuits: 140,000,000
      Cost to settle against RIAA lawsuits (based on $3000 settlement): 63,000,000
      Total cost to public and accused: 252,018,830

      In addition each of these cases must of necessity displace other cases that could be utilizing the courts time. I don't know about you, but I consider it a bigger crime for a company to waste 49 million dollars of the publics tax money, than that same company to lose 200 million to people subverting it's dying business model, not to mention costing people 203 million to defend themselves (or settle), a great many of which will be innocent people.

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  2. Call me cynical by LuxMaker · · Score: 4, Interesting
    but this is just what the *IAA needs to push through tougher legislation.

    And Judge Davis went further, "implor[ing] Congress to amend the Copyright Act to address liability and damages in peer-to-peer network cases..."

    How many people want to guess that "Copyright reform" turns draconian?

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  3. Mediasentry issues by Volante3192 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One point brought up in the articles is that it's possible the MediaSentry downloads are unauthorized copies, which seems to be necessary since if the RIAA authorizes the copy, then technically they're not infringing copyright and hence have to basis for a lawsuit.

    However, if the copies by MediaSentry are not authorized, then by not prosecuting MediaSentry for illicit downloads, aren't they undermining their own case by not going after every case of infringement?

    Just idle thoughts...

  4. From TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    AFAIK (IANAL) a mistrial means that the same evidence and INTENT is used in the prosecution of the defendant. such as:

    "Thomas will face a new trial, in which the RIAA will have to prove actual distribution." (Direct from TFA)

    But it is interesting to note that:

    "The decision means the RIAA now has zero wins at trial, Wired notes." (from TFA)

    So far, it seems that the RIAA is nothing more than a paper tiger, and there is much ado about the nothing that is the reporting of all this hoopla.

    I do seem to remember (can't cite the examples at the moment) some headlines concerning individuals being brought to trial that had unbeliveable judgements levied at them for "copyright infringement", but no ACTUAL culpability against the plaintiff.

  5. Re:Technically . . . by JoeMerchant · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the old days, warez exchangers would require a newbie to send something to them first before sharing anything - something about entrapment if the investigator would do something illegal to gain the marks' trust. The last paragraph of the article mentions that distribution to MediaSentry would constitute infringement - I wonder if P2P networks will be adopting the old "send me one first" mechanism in light of this?

  6. Re:So What's Next? by camperslo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Thomas will face a new trial, in which the RIAA will have to prove actual distribution"

    Even if they do prove distribution, the claims of damages per track should be fought. It's as if the people involved don't understand how file availability works with torrent p2p sharing.

    If someone downloads 5 tracks and seeds each to 1:1 ratio, what they've sent out on the net has only replaced copies (in pieces and blocks) that they got instead of someone else. In that case the net increase in copies going to others is ZERO making the damages only the lost-sale revenue for the downloader. At 1:1 seeding ratio, no additional copies go to others as compared with what existing seeding on the net would have provided had the downloader not transfered the files in and out. The lost revenue is certainly no higher than the cost of the same tracks on iTMS or another commercial source. It could be argued that the track value is even lower since a portion of the iTMS price covers bandwidth cost so that amount in not lost profits.
    It is only when seeding above 1:1 ratio that a downloader/uploader has actually done something to result in an increased number of copies going to others online over what would have occurred had they not participated. For the entire group of peers, each contributes to distribution by their seeding ratio minus one to allow for availability being reduced by what went to them instead of others.
    It is not reasonable to hold a particular peer responsible for the seeding action of others.

    This discussion also illustrates why torrents die off if people fail to seed adequately.

    Cases of higher damages should be reserved for cases where material not otherwise available is leaked onto the net in violation of a license or NDA that applies, or material an uploader bought under license violates the license and then distributes a measurable number of copies on the net.

  7. Re:Technically . . . by AlexCorn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was recently considered for jury duty in a cocaine selling/possession case. One of the screening questions the potential jurors were asked was "Do you have any problems with the Indiana drug laws?" I said yes, that they should be repealed. The judge asked if I was capable of making a distinction between what the law said and what I believed. I said yes, of course, and brought up jury nullification. He said that we don't do that anymore, and I was dismissed from jury duty.

  8. You might make a hero of him. by tjstork · · Score: 4, Interesting

    mpeaching him now would cause a close examination of all of his unconstitutional policies, and get a lot of them thrown out, or at least dragged out into the light so future presidents won't be able to use them.

    Careful. You might just find that a lot of people would like what was found and that your side would be invariably painted as anti-American. What would happen is, the Nixon effect. Nixon was never really popular until after he was booted from Office. But, once all the stuff that he and Kissinger did became public, a lot of people who are big into national security and winning suddenly found that Nixon was their man after all. He was rehabilated into a "great statesmen", and now he's looked at as a good Cold Warrior. I mean, by the time a lot of the Nixon revelations came out, to some extent, many Democrats would take a look at Carter and say, Nixon would have done something, a perception that helped propel Reagan into the White House. Remember that in early Reagan years they used to actually talk about how he would chat with Nixon and Henry the K in matters of cold war brinkmanship.

    To move that to today, let's say it came out that Bush had the CIA crawling all over New Orleans immediate post Katrina and was assasinating looters, but there was some operational weather problem that wrecked the plan, or that, he had secretly invaded Pakistan and Iran and had actually sabotaged the industrial capacity of any number of nations that were believed to be hiding Bin Laden, he would lock down the center-right base for sure. I mean, if Cheney's secret conversation revealed that Bush saw the coming peak oil, went through a phase of trying to secretly re-open talks with Saddam, but was rebuffed, and -then-, he invaded because Saddam did some covert anti-American thing... then, a lot of people would see the war in an entirely more positive light.

    Similarly, if there did emerge some conspiracy that the struggles of the US financial system were part of a set of financial moves of the US against China or the world, then, Bush comes out ahead, again. Even if he's just paranoid and writing all this stuff down, along with Cheney, Bush comes out ahead.

    I mean, the biggest asset Democrats have on Bush right now is that, they've painted him as stupid. But, if Bush is actually documented to be intelligent but evil, then, a lot more people are going to like him and you'll make a saint out of him.

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