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Review of Discovery Institute's Evolution Textbook

Darwinned writes "Intelligent Design is still a hot topic, as evidenced by recent legislation mandating that it be taught in school. Pro-ID group Discovery Institute has released an evolution textbook for use in schools, but a review shows it to be chock full of bad science and questionable reasoning. 'The book doesn't only promote stupidity, it demands it. In every way except its use of the actual term, this is a creationist book, but its authors are expecting that legislators and the courts will be too stupid to notice that, or to remember that the Supreme Court has declared teaching creationism an unconstitutional imposition of religion.'"

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  1. Re:SCOTUS reference anybody? by jandrese · · Score: 5, Informative

    The grandparent was probably referring to Edwards v. Aguillard.

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  2. Re:Yeah by MojoRilla · · Score: 4, Informative

    Darwin's Black Box anybody. Whether or not you agree w/ his conclusions or not he does not make a stupid argument.

    Darwin's Black Box was shown to be wrong in the Dover trial. Behe's central premise that things are irreducibly complex was proven wrong both with hard scientific data (about the flagella being irreduceably complex, but the bacterial Type III secretory system has a subset of the parts, though they serve a different function) and logically (Behe says a mousetrap is irreducibly complex, but it is useful as a tie clip if you remove two key parts).

    The judge in the Dover trial summed it up by saying:

    We therefore find that Professor Behe's claim for irreducible complexity has been refuted in peer-reviewed research papers and has been rejected by the scientific community at large.

  3. Epicurus said it best by thermian · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Riddle of Epicurus
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    If God is willing to prevent evil, but is not able to
    Then He is not omnipotent.

    If He is able, but not willing
    Then He is malevolent.

    If He is both able and willing
    Then whence cometh evil?

    If He is neither able nor willing
    Then why call Him God?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Back on topic, the Discovery institute is dedicated solely to enriching its members, any other claim is nonsense.

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  4. Re:Intelligent Design, Stupid Tactics by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 4, Informative

    Evolution is a theory. That's all it ever has been and all it ever will be.

    Just like gravity

    We'll never be able to actually go out and test evolution.

    False

    But the same reasoning applies to intelligent design, which has made great advances in understanding life at the biochemical level.

    Citation needed

  5. Re:SCOTUS reference anybody? by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Informative

    What's unconstitutional is putting it into the science curriculum at public schools (violating the establishment clause of the first amendment). As far as "forcing people to teach ____," all public school curriculum is "forced" on teachers in the sense that it is established at the state and local government level.

  6. Re:SCOTUS reference anybody? by vought · · Score: 4, Informative

    Piyush Jinda, Governor of Louisiana (George Bush with a funny name, if you ask me) is trying to sneak this shit right back in.

    Louisiana: Last on the good lists, first on the bad lists, and determined to keep it that way.

    I can say that because I'm a rare escapee from that temple to ignorance. Still, it's a lot of fun to visit the Bayou State.

  7. Re:Yeah by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm not sure how best to explain it so I'll try with a simple example.

    Let's say the structure you're trying to evolve can be represented as ABC. The letters are different parts. Together, ABC performs some useful function. Maybe it senses light, or moves the organism, or converts energy. Doesn't matter.

    Now imagine that AB and BC are both useless constructs. The stance of the IDers is that ABC would have to evolve from constituent parts, by starting with one letter and adding more until ABC is achieved. But, they claim, since both AB and BC are useless, they would never evolve, and so ABC could never come to be. Therefore, the existence of ABC in an organism is, essentially, proof that God Did It.

    However, imagine if C is some sort of useful construct all by itself. The actual function of C could be completely different from the function of ABC, it just has to be useful in some fashion. Then we add D, another part which is not part of ABC, to form CD. Imagine that CD is also useful in some manner, potentially related to C, potentially not. Then B is added which gives it more of a useful function, so organisms have the useful construct BCD. Then A is added to give the final functionality in the more complex form of ABCD. Then D, being redundant, is eventually dropped from the organism. Therefore you have evolved the useful and "irreducibly complex" construct ABC from parts.

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  8. Re:Evolution textbook!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    > Now think about what happened when they let the conservative religious crazies take control.

    Methinks history betrays you.

    The Wahabbi extremists (Islamic versions of the US fundamentalist extremists) came to power with ibn Saud, in the 18th century.

    Economic power (and scientific luminance) seeped away from the Caliphates and kingdoms of the Levant when the sea routes were broken open, most notably and astoundingly at Lepanto.