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Windows Mobile 7 Phone Release Delayed Again

jcoventry writes "Microsoft is delaying Windows Mobile 7, and it is thought new phones with the operating system are unlikely to reach the market before 2010. Microsoft partners who had expected to have a final release in their hands by early 2009 have been told that it won't be ready until the second half of 2009. Partners include companies like Verizon, Motorola and Samsung, all of which plan new phones that include the Mobile Windows 7 OS. Windows Mobile 7 is expected to have features like gesture recognition and speech input."

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  1. Re:Too slow by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 4, Informative

    Imo, version 5 and 6 were both old by their release. Windows mobile has a lot of nice features but the interface is boring and lacking and the OS is buggy.

    I was so glad to get rid of my Windows Mobile phone. I've been just using a cheap phone until I can see if there were be anything decent from Android.

    It's a shame Apple are acting like a bunch of nazis about iphone development or I might consider their over priced phone.

  2. Not the full story by Stan+Vassilev · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article uses very unclear wording in that part, so I thought I'd clarify.

    Microsoft will release updated browser in their 6.2 update. The good news is it can render Flash and AJAX and so on because it's based on the rendering engine of the desktop Internet Explorer browser. The bad news: it's based on the desktop version of *IE6*.

  3. Re:Falling behind... by Tweenk · · Score: 4, Informative

    It can be programmed easily using well known and widely used language

    Fixed - I don't think any JVM based languages other than Java are anywhere near widely used, and Android has no provisions to execute "bare metal" code. I may be a good thing after all, because it ensures compatibility of all Android apps with all Android phones despite different hardware.

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  4. Re:Too slow by Dun+Malg · · Score: 3, Informative

    My favourite is when it loses its stylus calibration. It's so random. I can through a period of weeks or months where it loses its calibration any time it goes into power saving mode. But then it can go months without it doing that and I've not changed my usage habits. It's almost like they've built that into that system to screw with people.

    That's actually a hardware issue. Really, touch screens are a simple matter of variable resistance across two circuits. All WM knows is the min ohms and max ohms for the X and Y axes. Apply Occam's Razor. Do you really think WM is "forgetting" four simple integers? Or do you think that maybe the resistance of the touch screen hardware on some phones might be flaky? Add in the fact that there are plenty of people whose WM phones don't lose stylus calibration, and the answer seems pretty obvious to me.

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  5. Re:gestures by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 3, Informative

    Windows Mobile, Microsoft still hasn't released an update to handle gestures.

    Windows Mobile has supported gestures for a long time. The Summary is misleading, as it is 'Gesture Navigation' that was to be expanded in Windows Mobile 7.

    Gestures on Windows Mobile are almost as old as Pen Gestures introduced back in the Tablet PC in 2002.

    Sad that people in the mainstream don't have any idea where all this comes from and how Apple did better at marketing than innovating anything. Most of us have been suckered by Apple, not helped by them.

    Go look up multi-touch gesturing which comes from both MS Tablet (yes there were multi-touch tablets back in 2002 even), MS Research and demostrations from the TED conference about 5 years ago. Apple copied the TED expansion of the demostrated concepts idea for idea, even using the 'made up' gestures for the conference that were only to be 'examples'. -Google the TED Video.)

    Another misleading item from the summarty is voice input, as Windows Mobile has had voice recognition dialing for a long time, something the iPhone still seriously lacks except from 3rd party add-ons. And sadly, something even free phones from Walmart can do that make the iPhone look sad. (Bluetooth headset users know this all too well.)

  6. Re:Pocket Windows? Never again. by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Informative

    BTW, palm wasn't good as an alarm clock either.

    This is anecdotal, of course, but my Treo has reliably been my alarm clock for nearly two years.

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  7. Re:Typical Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Let's also not forget that for a significant number of business users, WM 6 is quite sufficient and still beats the iPhone, Android, and Blackberry hands-down in a corporate environment.

    roflnoob?

    u have to be joking..i have an HTC artemis (wm6 pro) and the only reason i havent dumped it for something else is because it comes with tom tom navigator and a built in gps which works amazing. everything else is pure crap. let me enumerate the ways:

    • i have to go to task manager to end processes (lest they just endless take up memory and never auto close)
    • the interface looks like crap
    • everything is inconsistent
    • setting up networking makes zero sense, its all designed around this concept of connecting to the "internet" or to "work"
    • there is a config screen for "wlan" and another for "wireless", then there is a "communication manager" (which lets me turn on wifi, the phone antannae, bluetooth...and vibrate, makes no sense).
    • from the "communication manager" i can get to the "wlan" config screen (where u can see signal strength and the network ur connected to) but not the "wireless screen" which is where you actually define access points.
    • windows media player is complete garbage
    • i cant read pdfs
    • internet explorer is total crap, it doesnt support javascript, flash or applets
    • some windows show a little square X in the top right corner to hide it (remember you cant really close an app without the task manager) while others have a circle that says OK instead of the X.
    • sometimes i have to reset the phone to make a phone call
    • i cant sync it with anything other than windows and in windows i need to install outlook (which doesnt come with windows) in order to backup contacts and calendar items....everything else doesnt need outlook, so thats inconsistent
    • if i want to use msn messenger i need to download ALL contacts on my hotmail account into the address book in my phone, i cant selectively choose anyone, and since hotmail likes to automatically create users in its address book for anyone i send/receive an email to/from, i have like 300 random contacts in hotmail that i have zero interest in having in my phone. so basically i cant even use msn messenger
    • windows live is a joke, it searches the windows msn live site and returns listing for sites internet explorer cant even view...not to mention that everything on msn live is just swamped with crap ads
    • i could go on and on...

    id say the second best thing after tom tom is office mobile. these phones are only used by businesses that want to punish their employees. blackberries, nokias and the iphone are a million times more productive, responsive, elegant and understandable. the only reason these phones were remotely poplar in businesses is because MS forced it down their throats and at the time there was no competition. its a simple fact, windows mobile is complete and utter garbage. what was the difference between wm5 and wm6??? the skin and bug fixes! and this is what MS delivers with a major version number increment?!? up until now, the OS has not changed at all...all major version increments have simple bug fixes and updated skins. the fundamental problems are all still there. windows mobile 7 will be the same crap. mark my words

  8. Newton by LKM · · Score: 2, Informative

    Gestures on Windows Mobile are almost as old as Pen Gestures introduced back in the Tablet PC in 2002.
    Sad that people in the mainstream don't have any idea where all this comes from and how Apple did better at marketing than innovating anything.

    Yes on the "sad that people don't know where it comes from," no on the "Apple didn't innovate." Remember the Newton? Yes, that was 1993. A decade before your Tablet PC.

  9. Re:Falling behind... by mmurphy000 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't think any JVM based languages other than Java are anywhere near widely used

    That depends on how you define matters. Ruby is fairly widely used and has a JVM-based implementation that is less widely used. Ditto Python/Jython. At the moment, though, I suspect neither will run on Dalvik — any interpreted language that generates bytecode on the fly for JIT would need to generate Dalvik bytecode.

    and Android has no provisions to execute "bare metal" code

    That's probably not strictly true — again, it depends on how you define matters.

    It appears there will be two tiers of Android development:

    1. Apps that can run on any Android device have to be written for Dalvik VM and use the Android SDK
    2. If you download the whole Android stack when it's released as open source, you can do what you want, but it's up to you to distribute the modified firmware (e.g., put it on your own hardware) or submit the patches upstream to Android and hope they're accepted

    Much of the focus has been on the first of those two, probably because more developers will be working on that tier. However, from the standpoint of hardware manufacturers or hobbyists, you can do bare metal to your heart's content.