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Windows Mobile 7 Phone Release Delayed Again

jcoventry writes "Microsoft is delaying Windows Mobile 7, and it is thought new phones with the operating system are unlikely to reach the market before 2010. Microsoft partners who had expected to have a final release in their hands by early 2009 have been told that it won't be ready until the second half of 2009. Partners include companies like Verizon, Motorola and Samsung, all of which plan new phones that include the Mobile Windows 7 OS. Windows Mobile 7 is expected to have features like gesture recognition and speech input."

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  1. Android by ohtani · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Welp, there's always android for now.

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  2. Too slow by viljun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft is just too slow and clumsy nowadays. Mobile Windows 7 may already be old at the time it hit's the market.

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    1. Re:Too slow by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 4, Informative

      Imo, version 5 and 6 were both old by their release. Windows mobile has a lot of nice features but the interface is boring and lacking and the OS is buggy.

      I was so glad to get rid of my Windows Mobile phone. I've been just using a cheap phone until I can see if there were be anything decent from Android.

      It's a shame Apple are acting like a bunch of nazis about iphone development or I might consider their over priced phone.

    2. Re:Too slow by tobiasly · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Imo, version 5 and 6 were both old by their release. Windows mobile has a lot of nice features but the interface is boring and lacking and the OS is buggy.

      You ain't kidding. Its resemblance to desktop Windows is striking though... you have to reboot your phone every few days or else everything starts running slowly, rendering halfway-drawn dialog boxes on the screen, and eventually crashing. And talk about poor integration... every app that has you enter an email, phone number, or contact name does it differently. Some use auto-complete, and others don't. It's just a mess and I can't wait for Android to come out.

    3. Re:Too slow by cp.tar · · Score: 3, Funny

      Microsoft is just too slow and clumsy nowadays. Mobile Windows 7 may already be old at the time it hit's the market.

      Well, at least they'll be keeping up with the desktop version of Windows...

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    4. Re:Too slow by Dun+Malg · · Score: 3, Informative

      My favourite is when it loses its stylus calibration. It's so random. I can through a period of weeks or months where it loses its calibration any time it goes into power saving mode. But then it can go months without it doing that and I've not changed my usage habits. It's almost like they've built that into that system to screw with people.

      That's actually a hardware issue. Really, touch screens are a simple matter of variable resistance across two circuits. All WM knows is the min ohms and max ohms for the X and Y axes. Apply Occam's Razor. Do you really think WM is "forgetting" four simple integers? Or do you think that maybe the resistance of the touch screen hardware on some phones might be flaky? Add in the fact that there are plenty of people whose WM phones don't lose stylus calibration, and the answer seems pretty obvious to me.

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    5. Re:Too slow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Do you really think WM is "forgetting" four simple integers?

      Well, it is Microsoft we're talking about.

  3. gestures by nighty5 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm no iPhone fanboy but it seems ironic that after 6 iterations of Windows Mobile, Microsoft still hasn't released an update to handle gestures.

    iPhone is way ahead of the game in this area, and I'm sure Apple intend to exploit this position agressively.

    Microsoft must be kicking themselves for resting up during the last couple of revisions, whilst Apple takes away significant market share and "wow factor".

    p.s i don't own an iPhone :D

    1. Re:gestures by pchan- · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm no iPhone fanboy but it seems ironic that after 6 iterations of Windows Mobile, Microsoft still hasn't released an update to handle gestures.

      Before version 4, WinCE (which is the core of Windows Mobile) was unusable garbage. In version 4 it was upgraded to "terrible" (as an OS), and the source code became available to developers. Version 5 is the first version that didn't entirely blow (although I quit a job using WinCE for one using specifically not WinCE because it is still a shitty OS).

      WinCE is not inherited from any of the other Windows lines, it doesn't share any code with them at the lower levels. The problem is that WinCE bolts the horrid Win32 API on top of this OS. And then MFC. And then dotnet. And it still retains much of the desktop+mouse user model. Every time I see that mouse arrow on a retail WinCE device it makes me cringe. For an embedded device, this makes no sense. Microsoft was more interested in maintaining compatibility with its desktop environment than with creating an interface that is logical for an embedded device.

      Device manufacturers have given MS a kick in a pants. They told them that what is currently being produced is inadequate. After the iPhone came out, MS released WinCE 6, which is the same old stuff (ooh, now a process can use 64 megs of RAM instead of 32) with more dotnet. They came out with yesterday's product. HTC and Samsung had to revamp the UI totally to ship a competitive phone. Can you imagine the level of hackery that went into this? Will MS catch up? Up until now there was no competition to WinCE (Linux required too much work, Symbian was, well, Symbian, and iPhone OS is not available to anyone). But with Android, handset developers have a real alternative OS (yes, I know it's Linux, but it's a complete OS). If Google hadn't screwed up Android by tying it in so much to Google services, I would say MS is too late. As it is, we'll see.

    2. Re:gestures by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 3, Informative

      Windows Mobile, Microsoft still hasn't released an update to handle gestures.

      Windows Mobile has supported gestures for a long time. The Summary is misleading, as it is 'Gesture Navigation' that was to be expanded in Windows Mobile 7.

      Gestures on Windows Mobile are almost as old as Pen Gestures introduced back in the Tablet PC in 2002.

      Sad that people in the mainstream don't have any idea where all this comes from and how Apple did better at marketing than innovating anything. Most of us have been suckered by Apple, not helped by them.

      Go look up multi-touch gesturing which comes from both MS Tablet (yes there were multi-touch tablets back in 2002 even), MS Research and demostrations from the TED conference about 5 years ago. Apple copied the TED expansion of the demostrated concepts idea for idea, even using the 'made up' gestures for the conference that were only to be 'examples'. -Google the TED Video.)

      Another misleading item from the summarty is voice input, as Windows Mobile has had voice recognition dialing for a long time, something the iPhone still seriously lacks except from 3rd party add-ons. And sadly, something even free phones from Walmart can do that make the iPhone look sad. (Bluetooth headset users know this all too well.)

  4. Recognition by freeasinrealale · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder if Microsoft or the mobile 7 software recognizes the gestures currently being submitted by the developers.

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  5. Screw gesture recognition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Screw gesture recognition, I just want MS to fix the crappiness that is the current-gen Windows Mobile OS and turn it into something that is usable.

    On my HTC Apache (aka XV6700) which I personally upgraded to W.M.6 from the W.M.5 that came with it, and I still am sometimes not even able to answer a call; no matter how many times I try it will just register as missed. Sometimes this doesn't happen, but the call goes directly to speakerphone. That is lovely for the times when Mom calls and promptly does the mom thing when I am trying to pass myself off as a professional.

    Switching from data calls to voice calls is a pain, and vice versa. IE Mobile sucks at rendering most pages, and makes it a total pain to do even the simplest of things. My backlight can randomly be switched completely off by some unknown mechanism. The phone is running at 520Mhz but always feels sluggish (and yes, I do completely close, not just minimize, all programs when I am finished with them). The list goes on and on.

    I don't need fancy stuff like gesture recognition, I just want my phone to work the way it's supposed to. Hopefully Android can prove itself early on and I can switch to an HTC Dream.

  6. Not the full story by Stan+Vassilev · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article uses very unclear wording in that part, so I thought I'd clarify.

    Microsoft will release updated browser in their 6.2 update. The good news is it can render Flash and AJAX and so on because it's based on the rendering engine of the desktop Internet Explorer browser. The bad news: it's based on the desktop version of *IE6*.

  7. Falling behind... by supernova_hq · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wow, Microsoft is really falling behind here.

    Google has just released a prototype Android phone for review and Apple is still going strong with the iPhone.

    I hope Google is able to push their OS hard enough to knock MS right out of the phone market. The last thing I want is a phone running a proprietary OS that is impossible to program for...

    I think the best thing about the Android compared to other phone OS's is the open development. It can be programmed easily using well known and widely used languages, unlike the iPhone that requires Objective-C!

    1. Re:Falling behind... by Tweenk · · Score: 4, Informative

      It can be programmed easily using well known and widely used language

      Fixed - I don't think any JVM based languages other than Java are anywhere near widely used, and Android has no provisions to execute "bare metal" code. I may be a good thing after all, because it ensures compatibility of all Android apps with all Android phones despite different hardware.

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    2. Re:Falling behind... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you know C and it takes you longer than twenty-four hours to become familiar enough with Objective-C to program an iPhone then you don't know C.

      Objective-C is an extension to C, not some completely new language.

    3. Re:Falling behind... by mmurphy000 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't think any JVM based languages other than Java are anywhere near widely used

      That depends on how you define matters. Ruby is fairly widely used and has a JVM-based implementation that is less widely used. Ditto Python/Jython. At the moment, though, I suspect neither will run on Dalvik — any interpreted language that generates bytecode on the fly for JIT would need to generate Dalvik bytecode.

      and Android has no provisions to execute "bare metal" code

      That's probably not strictly true — again, it depends on how you define matters.

      It appears there will be two tiers of Android development:

      1. Apps that can run on any Android device have to be written for Dalvik VM and use the Android SDK
      2. If you download the whole Android stack when it's released as open source, you can do what you want, but it's up to you to distribute the modified firmware (e.g., put it on your own hardware) or submit the patches upstream to Android and hope they're accepted

      Much of the focus has been on the first of those two, probably because more developers will be working on that tier. However, from the standpoint of hardware manufacturers or hobbyists, you can do bare metal to your heart's content.

  8. Yawn... MS isn't in the running on this one by david.emery · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The fight will be between Google and the Open Source community in one corner, Apple and its traditional strength in human factors in the second corner, and the Koreans with their history of innovative phone products in the third corner. (I was in Seoul a year ago and I never saw so many different kinds of weird cell phone gadgets :-)

    Although I'm pretty much an Apple fanboy (based on how much better their products work -for me- versus the competition), I'm very excited to see competition based on real innovation, rather than on the Microsoft Monopoly's ability to seize and lock up the competition.

    I have not bought a smartphone (although I was a pretty early dedicated Palm user), and I'm waiting to see how the iPhone and Android mature before jumping in. The Crackberry -never- had any appeal for me (I had to fight one off back in 2002, the project I was working on was an early adopter.) As someone who types pretty well, the thumb keyboard has no appeal to me whatsoever. Pen-based inputs (e.g. Palm Graffiti, but not Graffiti 2 which was worse...) work for me on a handheld.

    But a note to Verizon: If you want to continue to be my carrier, then you'll have to look way beyond your current handset offerings and their developers, and your approach to business/marketing. The other carriers are catching up in network quality, and the traditional "grab the customer and screw him for all he's worth" approach of the big carriers is failing in the face of the Brave New World the iPhone has helped create and that Android has legitimized.

    dave

  9. Re:Raise your hand.. by Fumus · · Score: 2, Funny

    It seems you are trying to use a hand gesture, but your current version of Windows Mobile doesn't support them. Would you like to preorder Windows Mobile 7?

  10. Typical Slashdot by DavidD_CA · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let's not mention this:

    Microsoft will push for a minor update its 6.1 version as early as this year still, calling it 6.2 -- which will have some bells and whistles like an improved browser that can display Flash and Ajax applications.

    Let's also not forget that for a significant number of business users, WM 6 is quite sufficient and still beats the iPhone, Android, and Blackberry hands-down in a corporate environment.

    For proof, take a look at the latest WM6 phones from HTC and Samsung, such as the Touch Pro about to come out in a few weeks.

    All of these competing phone OSes are making improvements (such as the iPhone 2's ability to activesync), but by the time they catch up with WM6 in the business world it will be 2010, when Microsoft has released WM7.

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  11. If you're going there, the iPhone is more flexibil by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While you may be right in terms of the market, if you just want the best phone with the most flexibility and software, it's definitely going to be on WM6.x for the forseeable future, as long as you're willing to mod your phone

    I'd have to say you're far better off getting an iPhone and Jailbreaking it if you are allowing mods into the picture. There's already a lot of useful software from the App Store and from the jailbroken apps today.

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  12. Re:Yawn... MS isn't in the running on this one by DECS · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It fits into the 2006 list. Symbian market share is now down to 55%, just as Microsoft's WiMo fell from 23% back in 2004 to today's 12%.

    Nokia is taking over Symbian and making it into an open source foundation because royalties are dropping rapidly. Nobody wants to pay for OS software. Without revenues (down 14%), Symbian can't afford to invest in modernizing.

    The era of Windows-like software platform licensing is over. From here on out, it will be integrated proprietary platforms (RIM and Apple) or free platforms (Google and Ubuntu). There's no need for paying for a commercial software OS. Symbian is adapting, Microsoft is pretending the climate isn't changing.

    Ballmer changes tune while dancing around Apple's success

  13. Re:Pocket Windows? Never again. by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Informative

    BTW, palm wasn't good as an alarm clock either.

    This is anecdotal, of course, but my Treo has reliably been my alarm clock for nearly two years.

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  14. Re:The big feature of Windows Mobile 7... by DanJ_UK · · Score: 2, Funny

    Silverflash ftw

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  15. Re:Amusing to read that... by KevinKnSC · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Um, between Ballmer and Jobs, you've got the wrong reality-distorting Steve.

  16. Gesture Recognition by PPH · · Score: 2, Funny

    Mr. Clippy: You appear to have thrown your telephone with considerable force. I am unclear as to your intentions. Could you please provide me with some addition..[Splat!]

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  17. Newton by LKM · · Score: 2, Informative

    Gestures on Windows Mobile are almost as old as Pen Gestures introduced back in the Tablet PC in 2002.
    Sad that people in the mainstream don't have any idea where all this comes from and how Apple did better at marketing than innovating anything.

    Yes on the "sad that people don't know where it comes from," no on the "Apple didn't innovate." Remember the Newton? Yes, that was 1993. A decade before your Tablet PC.