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Wall Street's Collapse Is Computer Science's Gain

dcblogs writes "Thanks to Wall Street's implosion, the chairman of Stanford University's Computer Science Department says he is seeing more interest from students in computer science. Ditto at Boston College. Computer science enrollments crashed after the dot-com bust as students turned to hedge fund majors. And are computer science grads getting jobs? The professor at one university program that graduates about 45 students a year with CS degrees, wrote in a comment: 'Last year 87% of our seniors were employed before graduation. The median starting salary was $58,500. A majority of CIS students had multiple job offers. From where I sit, there is a huge demand for entry level IT professionals in IS and in CS.'"

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  1. Damnit!!! by vertinox · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here I was finally thinking I'd get a raise this year because of labor shortage!

    Listen kids, there is no future in IT. Plumbers and lawyers is where it is at.

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    1. Re:Damnit!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ... and hookers!

    2. Re:Damnit!!! by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mod parent insightful:

      If the US legalized prostitution and drugs but heavily regulated and taxed them, then our country would have so damn much money that a war here or a housing bust there wouldn't matter! :)

    3. Re:Damnit!!! by nem75 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I don't know if you intended to, but you more or less quoted Frank Zappa.

      I'll give you a simple formula for straightening out the problems of the United States. First, you tax the churches. You take the tax off of capital gains and the tax off of savings. You decriminalize all drugs and tax them same way as you do alcohol. You decriminalize prostitution. You make gambling legal. That will put the budget back on the road to recovery, and you'll have plenty of tax revenue coming in for all of your social programs, and to run the army.

    4. Re:Damnit!!! by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not really. The numbers I've seen from legalizing drugs would only boost US Revenue by about 20-30 billion per year.

      That's 1/10th our peacetime defense budget. Not really a ton of money.

    5. Re:Damnit!!! by schon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      collecting taxes on the un-sanctioned/black/gray market activities will mean you're still fighting the same exact battles as we are today.

      Exactly - just look at alcohol.. why the number of gin-runners and speakeasies is through the roof since the lifting of prohibition..

      err, wait.

  2. passionless technician by Speare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It always depresses me to see how many college students have no idea who they are, and just float about on the breeze of the moment, going for the buck instead of what they already see a passion for doing. They weren't reflecting upon their lives as a teenager, they weren't deciding what makes their hearts go faster, they were just assuming that someday their Fairy Career Mother would pop out of a cloud to tell them what they should do for the next forty years.

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    1. Re:passionless technician by areusche · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have an intense passion in classical music. Yet I want the ability to travel the world and support a life style that is atypical to that of a musician.

      Passion vs lifestyle. It isn't as easy as it sounds

      .

    2. Re:passionless technician by Gazzonyx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, but as a life long geek and software development major, I find that these kids are the best kind of competition. Seriously, I know a bunch of kids that just don't have a passion for CS, and I can run circles around them just from experiences I've had messing around as a kid. When it gets to the harder subject matter (SPARC ASM, anyone?), they just can't compete unless they've got a passion for the subject. Passion will get you further than talent any day of the week.

      We'd all be nuts to be in this line of business if we didn't love it... software bugs, technologies that change every few weeks, drinking from the firehose, late night server rebuilds, weekend bug hunts, the expectation to show up at 9am when our brains don't start working until noon, and chasing vendors away from the PHB before they give him any bright ideas... for me, personally, it's all worth it when I have a day or two when I can just dominate some code; when it flows off my fingers with poetic form. Everything else sucks, but it's the price for getting paid to write some awesome code, or design a new network, or whatever part of IT that you do and have passion for.

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    3. Re:passionless technician by ericlondaits · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I make a living as a programmer... and do acting, singing, and cooking as well but not professionaly.

      I don't want to live as an actor, struggling to pay the rent by doing bit pieces and commercials, nor the equivalent work as a musician, nor busting my ass in 14 hour days in a commercial kitchen... yet I somewhat enjoy a good programmer's grunt work. But certainly, I'd love to be able to have my same lifestyle by acting, singing or cooking and just program as a hobby.

      I'm thankful that my ability to program allows me to partake in other activities without the pressure of making money out of them.

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  3. Re:Problems... by hackus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well,

          Everything isn't that bad. Really. I think the assumption of either a senior admin position or a entry level stuff is too simplistic of a analysis of our industry.

          There are lots of in betweens. Right now being 42, and about the middle of my career I am going back to school to finish all my degree work. I accomplished everything I wanted to do and now have on my resume the entire ball of wax, from admin to CIO.

    I just do not have the degree work which I want.

          On the weekends I put in VoIP systems for lawyers and doctors offices using sipxpbx. (That includes all of the nuances of reprogramming the network routers or installing routers that can do QoS). I can do a lot more, including coding middleware (apache axis), and also write backends for a lot of websites (servlets).

          But the point is, I am sure an industrious college grad could figure out to do these things and the point there is to be flexible.

          I started my career and built upon becomming an expert in:

    1) Software Engineering (C++ and Java)
    2) Relational Databases
    3) Networking

        Set your sights on these areas, and try to study them and become competent so that you are flexible to address most opportunities that come your way.

    If you cannot find a job, hit the pavement and cold call companies. I do it all the time, and it works!

    So if a old 42 year old geezer can do it, so can you.

    Finally, I think most people who enter the computer field think that it is like any other job, where you can just graduate and then start a job and just treat it like any other invocation.

    You have to continually learn, which means interrupting your career like I am doing to go back to school.

    If that prospect is daunting, you might not like CS as a career (I.T.). If you do not continually improve yourself you become fairly useless fairly quickly.

    So instead of playing games all evening or watching TV when you get home, start cracking the books guy. :-)

    -Hack

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  4. I Doubt It by Comatose51 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Finance is one of the biggest consumers of IT and development resources. My first job out of college was at a hedge fund as a IT developer. Many people don't realize that finance is heavily computer and information driven these days. The days of people working on gut feeling is dying out. At the hedge fund, there was only two traders who actually traded in financial instruments. The rest of the non-support people were analysts who came up with strategies based on models and information provided to them by quants and programmed into their infrastructure by CS people. Their infrastructure was maintained by IT people.

    My point is that finance going downhill is bad for IT and CS because that's one of the most information driven sectors outside of software and hire a lot of CS people out of college.

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