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Strong Methane Emissions On the Siberian Shelf
rrohbeck writes "The Independent reports brand-new results of high concentrations of methane — 100x normal — above the sea surface over the Siberian continental shelf. A large number of methane plumes have been discovered bubbling up from the sea floor. This is probably due to methane clathrate, buried under the sea floor before the last ice age, breaking up as higher water temperatures melt the permafrost that had contained it."
"probably warmer water"... Yeah, nothing to do with the fact we're sitting on a huge fucking lump of molten rock and metal.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
This is what it would be like, if the majority of people were athiests.
ATHIEST KID: Mom, I'm going to go fuck a hooker.
ATHIEST MOM: Okay, son.
ATHIEST KID: Afterwards, I'm going to go smoke pot with my friends, since it's "not addictive."
ATHIEST MOM: Okay, come home soon!
The athiest kid leaves the room. The father comes home from work several minutes later.
ATHIEST DAD: Hey!
ATHIEST MOM: Hi, honey! I'm pregnant again. I guess I'll just get another abortion, since "fetuses don't count as human life."
ATHIEST DAD: Okay, get as many abortions as you want!
ATHIEST MOM: Oh, and don't go in the bedroom.
ATHIEST DAD: Why not?
ATHIEST MOM: There are two gay men fucking eachother in there.
ATHIEST DAD: Why are they here?
ATHIEST MOM: I wanted to watch them do it for awhile. They just aren't finished yet.
ATHIEST DAD: Okay, that's fine with me!
Suddenly, their neighbor runs into the house.
ATHIEST NEIGHBOR: Come quick, there's a Christian outside!
ATHIEST MOM: We'll be right there!
The athiest couple quickly put on a pair of black robes and hoods. They then exit the house, and run into the street, where a Christian is nailed to a large, wooden X. He is being burned alive. A crowd of athiests stand around him, all wearing black robes and hoods.
RANDOM ATHIEST: Damn you, Christian! We hate you! We claim to be tolerant of all religions. But we really hate your's! That's because we athiests are hypocritical like that! Die, Christian!
THE END
Scary, isn't it?
Oh, but recently oceans and atmosphere have been cooling.
That's why the ice caps are melting?
Geez, you global warming deniers really are total idiots.
We're sooo totally fucked now!
Ok, so if methane caused runaway warming 635 million years ago, and we're experience global warming now, then man-made global warming may be a myth after all.
Come on "scientists", can we get at least one thing from you that isn't yet another "PANIC!" report?
Just imagine if programmers started writing code this recklessly!
more CO2 = higher temperatures
No. That theory has been soundly rejected by real science in the last 10 years. Get with the times.
...and nitrogen is even worse than that. Nitrogen levels are increasing and are more serious than CO2, but climatologists are so worried that now talking about nitrogen will confuse the issue of GW (because the issue has been so deliberately obfuscated by sceptics already) that they're not publicly talking about it. The upshot is that the combination of these gases and their warming effects is very bad for us all (all species), and we're probably stuffed. Still, that's no reason to stop trying to find ways to avoid making it worse if that's even possible anymore.
Ahh, but there you have the answer [...] then you reduce the net heating effect of the steady-state by 50-75% by burning all the methane.
Somehow your analysis falls short...
I'll take this as you having no constructive arguments then. Thanks for making that clear :)
Myself I like facts to support my arguments, and I'm also a strong believer in falsifiability in science. The "CO2 causes warming" argument has failed horribly for quite a few years now, and it's thus likely that it's a bad hypothesis.
Svensmark's hypothesis, on the other hand, looks increasingly more valid. Nice to see some tests being planned on that one soon.
it's in my head
And your statement is only true if we stop breeding to the edge of our capacity.
When our population is at the limit- any minor problem can cause the entire thing to collapse.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
Yes - exactly. The temps have been flat and now going down for a while and it seems we're in for some very cold years ahead. If the sun stays quiet like this we're in for a new period of river-freezing winters in northern europe.
The sun was very active a few years ago when we indeed saw some slight warming (which caused this whole global warming - sorry - climate change panic.
it's in my head