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Fossett's Plane Found

otter42 writes "Sadly, it looks as if all those crazies claiming Steve Fossett was still alive were wrong after all. The NY Times has the confirmation that wreckage of Fossett's Bellanca Citabria was found. Now it's up to the NTSB to tell us why this happened, although, statistically, dollars to donuts it was engine/fuel-related."

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  1. Or weather, or health related by drerwk · · Score: 4, Informative

    Steve, being a sailplane pilot would have less trouble with engine issues than most power pilots. And on the lea side of the Sierras you can glide an very long distance east provided the rotor turbulence does not get you.

  2. I think the cliff he hit was the problem by frith01 · · Score: 5, Informative

    At that high an altitude, if you get clouds/ fog, you can run into a mountain at 10,000 feet, even if you're a good pilot ( who forgot to check his map).

    NTSB said that the wreckage looked like high velocity impact, with little chance of survival.

  3. Head on collision by BigGar' · · Score: 5, Informative

    They're saying that the damage looks like he flew straight into the side of the mountain and that it was extremely unlikely that it was a survivable impact.
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/02/steve.fossett.search/index.html

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  4. The area by PhotoGuy · · Score: 4, Informative

    As mentioned in another post, as best as I can tell from the news articles, this is a Google Earth view of the area he went down. The Minaret Lake area is where the hiker found his ID and money, and the Minaret Peak is near where his plane hit.

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  5. Re:Check your own logic before calling others craz by texasandroid · · Score: 5, Informative

    The reports are not saying that he hiked that distance, but that his ID was found that distance away from the crash site. In an area with plenty of wildlife, there are many other ways his ID could have been transported that distance, besides him surviving the initial crash.

  6. Re:My experience that day by Dynedain · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have been convinced ever since that moment that that storm killed him.

    Barstow is 256 miles from Mammoth Lakes. Granted, that's by car, but it's a fairly straight-shot route.

    That's like saying a thunderstorm in New York City killed someone in Washington DC

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  7. Re:Too early for amature guesses. by badasscat · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't know what it is but the end result looks like controlled flight into the ground.

    Yeah, I don't get the "statistically, dollars to donuts it was engine/fuel-related", because statistically, CFIT is a much more common cause of air accidents than engine or fuel problems. Fuel problems are actually one of the *least* likely causes, be it contamination, starvation or exhaustion.

    There were reportedly clouds at around the altitude he'd have been flying at that day obscuring mountain peaks like this one. I think the most likely cause at this point is he was flying in a cloud and ran into the mountain. It happens, even to airliner pilots with sophisticated ground proximity warning systems. General aviation pilots usually have either no such equipment, or rudimentary ground avoidance equipment. I'm not sure what, if anything, his plane would have been equipped with, but even if it had such equipment, it wouldn't necessarily have been enough to prevent a CFIT accident.

  8. Re:That's really a shame. by shadow349 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Still not sure why this is news though. I mean the headline could very easily be "Man presumed dead still dead."

    Chevy Chase and the estate of Generalissimo Francisco Franco hold joint rights to that meme.

  9. Re:That's really a shame. by Martin+Blank · · Score: 4, Informative

    He pushed the envelope in sailing and flying, setting more than 100 records. He was also active with the Boy Scouts at the national level, even heading up the National Eagle Scout Association. He set the bar very high, and inspired thousands, maybe millions. His money was incidental, though it helped him to set those records. It's just the kind of person he was. That's why so many people care about it.

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  10. Weather History by Divide+By+Zero · · Score: 4, Informative

    Mammoth Lakes, CA
    Week of Sept 2, 2007
    No precipitation.

    http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KMMH/2007/9/3/WeeklyHistory.html

    See the radar loop from that date by using the link in the Radar Archive box near the bottom-right of this page:
    http://www.wunderground.com/radar/radblast.asp?ID=HNX&region=c1&lat=37.65124893&lon=-118.98217010&label=Mammoth%20Lakes%2C%20CA

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  11. Re:He's still kicking! by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 4, Informative

    Except he didn't have a parachute with him

    I've flown a Citabria. It's designed for aerobatics (the name is "airbatic" spelled backwards, even) and, at least in the plane I flew, the "seat" is actually a sling that holds your parachute. There was no way to sit in the thing unless you were wearing one.

    Of course, it may be possible to buy a version of the airplane with normal seats--epecially if you're a billionaire, as Fossett was--but I never saw one myself.

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  12. Remains were found in the wreckage. by KPexEA · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/02/steve.fossett.search/index.html MAMMOTH LAKES, California (CNN) -- A small amount of human remains has been found in the wreckage of the plane that adventurer Steve Fossett was flying when he disappeared last year, a National Transportation Safety Board official said Thursday.