MediaDefender's Parent Company Joins P2P Market

An anonymous reader writes with news that ArtistDirect, the company who acquired MediaDefender, has launched another company called PiCast for the purpose of P2P video distribution. The reader says: "This is a strange twist for a company which last year set up a video-sharing site called Miivi in an attempt to entrap users uploading copyrighted content, and was caught launching a DoS attack against Revision3, which we discussed earlier this year."

Comments

Not quite

[Goaway]

Actually, from actually reading those leaked emails, it seemed they were completely sincere about launching Miivi as a P2P service. There was a single instance where somebody suggested bundling their attack software with it, which was promptly shot down.

Of course, that doesn't sound as exciting to the blogosphere, so people just made stuff up instead.

Re:Not quite

[thetoadwarrior]

The blogosphere does not exist so people should quit using such a lame word.

Re:Not quite

[Anonymous Coward]

Uh... BULLSHIT.

I don't know what set of emails you read. But the ones i read sure paint these people as complete scumbags looking to entrap users by any means.

While laughing about screwing people over for what they were doing themselves.

Re:Not quite

[hairyfeet]

TFA also forgot that MD also dabbled in the porn business for awhile. As for why this is news,I want to know any business that MediaDefender is in so I can avoid it like the clap!!! Let me put it this way: With all the low down,dirty,underhanded,sneaky bullsh*t that they have pulled over the years would YOU want their software to have access to your machine? Would YOU trust them with your CC? I'm guessing that is a big no. These guys aren't any more trustworthy than the ones writing viruses. And why hasn't someone busted their @ss for the DDoS BS? I thought that was illegal?

Re:Not quite

[phoomp]

Because it's quite obvious that the big content owners have significant influence over our legal systems.

Re:Not quite

[Anonymous Coward]

It seems it's not illegal if they've got enough money. :/

Re:Not quite

[Nullav]

Really? Then what's that big yellow thing I keep seeing past the clouds?

Re:Not quite

[Goaway]

All right, so dig out one of those supposedly incriminating mails and show us!

Re:Not quite

[Anonymous Coward]

Go download the torrent and read them all yourself.

Anyone who lives in the us and is insane enough to post private emails in public after MD got the FBI involved, deserves to goto jail for being stupid.

Anonymous or not. I don't want those nutjobs looking to come after me for anything.

Re:Not quite

[elrous0]

That's just Steve Jobs' ego.

Re:Not quite

[Kneo24]

Yes, sincere so that they could flood the "market" with fake files, among other things. Nothing in the e-mails made it seem sincere about what they had in mind (nor un-sincere). All they wanted to do was distance the names from each other.

I can see why they wanted to distance the names from each other, but they could have spun it in a positive fashion if they wanted to.

In any case, would you trust any sort of service coming from these jackals?

Re:Not quite

[BronsCon]

Because it's quite obvious that the big content owners have significant influence over our legal systems.

Yet they still have no control over our illegal systems; thus why such systems exist.

If I pay for it, it's my system, I want to control it. If you want it to be your system so you can control it, don't take my money and hand it over to me.

(I know, you meant legal system, but your ironic typo left set quite a nice stage for me to make my point.)

Re:Not quite

[Goaway]

Go download the torrent and read them all yourself.

See, that's exactly what I did, and what I saw in there was nothing about any entrapment. Every mail about Miivi made it sound like they were sincere about making a real, workable P2P system.

Once again, if you want to claim otherwise, post some proof of that. If you don't want to post the mail itself, just post enough headers to find it.

Re:Not quite

[Goaway]

Yes, sincere so that they could flood the "market" with fake files, among other things.

I got the impression they'd be selling it as a more controlled form of P2P, that would have copyright filters and such in place to prevent the need for those kind of tactics. Whether they could actually provide that is another question entirely, of course.

In any case, would you trust any sort of service coming from these jackals?

Probably not. But it wouldn't be because of those mails. The mails made it seem a lot less malicious than what my first impression of it was.

Re:Not quite

[Sj0]

You shouldn't be attacking his incorrect use of a plural! Just because you're on the Internets doesn't mean you can clogg up the series of tubes(not to be confused with a big truck) with your hatred. The Google will cache those pages!

Re:Not quite

[BronsCon]

Lulz.

Re:Not quite

[Anonymous Coward]

Did he? Last I checked there was more than one country in the world and hence more than one legal system.

Re:Not quite

[BronsCon]

But only one over which they demonstrate any control. I'm pretty sure that's what he meant.

Re:Not quite

[ion.simon.c]

This is slashdot. You can say 'ass' here.
TBH, I don't think that we've ever received an official visit from the FCC.

Re:Not quite

[adona1]

Cory Doctorow's balloon?

planet/population defenders join creators

[Anonymous Coward]

it's a happy blend of good facilitating more good.

greed, fear & ego are unprecedented evile's primary weapons. those, along with deception & coercion, helps most of us remain (unwittingly?) dependent on its' life0cidal hired goons' agenda. most of yOUR dwindling resources are being squandered on the 'wars', & continuation of the billionerrors stock markup FraUD/pyramid schemes. nobody ever mentions the real long term costs of those debacles in both life & any notion of prosperity for us, or our children, not to mention the abuse of the consciences of those of us who still have one. see you on the other side of it. the lights are coming up all over now. conspiracy theorists are being vindicated. some might choose a tin umbrella to go with their hats. the fairytail is winding down now. let your conscience be yOUR guide. you can be more helpful than you might have imagined. there are still some choices. if they do not suit you, consider the likely results of continuing to follow the corepirate nazi hypenosys story LIEn, whereas anything of relevance is replaced almost instantly with pr ?firm? scriptdead mindphuking propaganda or 'celebrity' trivia 'foam'. meanwhile; don't forget to get a little more oxygen on yOUR brain, & look up in the sky from time to time, starting early in the day. there's lots going on up there.

http://news.google.com/?ncl=1216734813&hl=en&topic=n
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/31/opinion/31mon1.html?em&ex=1199336400&en=c4b5414371631707&ei=5087%0A
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080918/ap_on_re_us/tent_cities;_ylt=A0wNcyS6yNJIZBoBSxKs0NUE
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/29/world/29amnesty.html?hp
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/02/nasa.global.warming.ap/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/weather/06/05/severe.weather.ap/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/weather/06/02/honore.preparedness/index.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/opinion/01dowd.html?em&ex=1212638400&en=744b7cebc86723e5&ei=5087%0A
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/05/senate.iraq/index.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/17/washington/17contractor.html?hp
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/world/middleeast/03kurdistan.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080708/cheney_climate.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080805/pl_politico/12308;_ylt=A0wNcxTPdJhILAYAVQms0NUE
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/18/voting.problems/index.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080903/ts_nm/environment_arctic_dc;_ylt=A0wNcwhhcb5It3EBoy2s0NUE
(talk about cowardlly race fixing/bad theater/fiction?) http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/19/news/economy/sec_short_selling/index.htm?cnn=yes

is it time to get real yet? A LOT of energy is being squandered in attempts to keep US in the dark. in the end (give or take a few 1000 years), the creators will prevail (world without end, etc...), as it has always been. the process of gaining yOUR release from the current hostage situation may not be what you might think it is. butt of course, most of US don't know, or care what a precarious/fatal situation we're in. for example; the insidious attempts by the felonious corepirate nazi execrable to block the suns' light, interfering with a requirement (sunlight) for us to stay healthy/alive. it's likely not good for yOUR health/memories 'else they'd be bragging about it? we're intending for the whoreabully deceptive (they'll do ANYTHING for a bit more monIE/power) felons to give up/fail even further, in attempting to control the 'weather', as well as a # of other things/events.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=weather+manipulation&btnG=Search
http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=video+cloud+spraying

'The current rate of extinction is around 10 to 100 times the usual background level, and has been elevated above the background level since the Pleistocene. The current extinction rate is more rapid than in any other extinction event in earth history, and 50% of species could be extinct by the end of this ce

Re:planet/population defenders join creators

[easyTree]

+1 switched-on cookie
+1 underrated.

Strange twist?

[mwvdlee]

"This is a strange twist for a company which last year set up a video-sharing site called Miivi in an attempt to entrap users uploading copyrighted content, and was caught launching a DoS attack against Revision3, which we discussed earlier this year."

How is setting up another scam service considered a "strange twist"?

Re:Strange twist?

[sleeponthemic]

"This is a strange twist for a company which last year set up a video-sharing site called Miivi in an attempt to entrap users uploading copyrighted content, and was caught launching a DoS attack against Revision3, which we discussed earlier this year."

How is setting up another scam service considered a "strange twist"?

It isn't a strange twist for them to be setting up a legit company for legit paid-for content either.

Infact, the only "strange twist" that could occur is if they went against their primary motive of chasing cash from their activities in p2p - and suddenly decided to support piracy in earnest.

Re:Strange twist?

[zappepcs]

It's only strange because the editors did not give this story an 'isatrap' tag. MediaDefender and more specifically it's board spent too much time watching 'It takes a theif' and snorting coke when they should have been paying attention in law school.

Oh where Oh where is Judge Roy Bean when you need him. He'd bring Chuck Norris in as the bailiff, and ninjas as the jury, then ask the entire prosecuting attorneys team questions from an LSAT study book before each day of court to ensure they actually sent lawyers. I want to see Chuck escort one or two of them out of the courtroom for being fakes.

Re:Strange twist?

[SanityInAnarchy]

It isn't a strange twist for them to be setting up a legit company for legit paid-for content either.

Given what they did to Revision3, which was a legit company distributing legit, free content, it seems like very much a strange twist.

Of course, if I get slightly more cynical, of course it makes sense -- good PR about them doing legit P2P, to counter bad PR about them attacking legit P2P. In fact, in light of this, the attack on Revision3 makes sense -- it would be an attack against a competitor.

Re:Strange twist?

[Anonymous Coward]

The constitution demands that the jury be peers of the accused. Pirates and ninjas are not peers. You are giving MD an easy win.

Re:Strange twist?

[zappepcs]

Obviously you do not know the legend of Judge Roy Bean. Ninjas are invisible, right? That's what the jury box would look like... empty.

Goatsex

[Anonymous Coward]

Goatsex

You nerds love it.

Re:Goatsex

[Anonymous Coward]

We love watching the goat do that to your ass, its hilarious.

Re:Goatsex

[Anonymous Coward]

What does that have to do with goatsex? Oh, wait, I get it - Grotesque Open Anus That Shocks Everyone! And yet, like a war veteran numbed by years of killing, it seems that images of superhumanly-stretched assholes don't seem to really affect me anymore.

Re:Goatsex

[Anonymous Coward]

Considering everone has already seen it and been shocked by it already I can safely say noone is shocked by it or anytthing else trolls post.

It's a trap!

[Anonymous Coward]

C'mon... we all know it already - Miivi anyone?

Of course...

[bhunachchicken]

if you can't beat 'em, join 'em...

Re:Of course...

[Ron_Fitzgerald]

if you can't beat 'em, join 'em...

I am more inclined to believe that it is a simple business rule to go where the money is. Soon they will have run their current well dry and need a new money maker to move on to. But I didn't bother to RTFA.

It's a trap.

[Sir_Lewk]

If ever there was an article deserving of the "itsatrap" tag...

Not entirely accurate

[easyTree]

"There's nothing more difficult than trying to intercept a 3-gigabit file of a new movie release," says PiCast vice president of business development Jonathan Lee.

*cough* Other than somehow making your group of companies appear less-than-evil. Good luck with that btw, :D

Uhhh

[malkir]

IT'S A TRAP!

True or not, I don't trust them...

[Xenographic]

Well, the nice thing is that even if they're sincere, they'll still be hacking & DoSing their competitors.

Oh, and I read those emails too, but I didn't see much about MiiVi at all, except when they were talking about the bestiality and child porn filters (apparently they have samples of that stuff!?!).

Unfortunately, MediaDefender-Defenders.com seems to have vanished a while back (it forwards to TPB instead of having browsable emails), so I can't really check any more. Yeah, there are torrents that are still around, but they don't seem well-seeded any more.

Ironic

[Greyor]

Doesn't this seem like a huge conflict of interests to anyone?

"Defending" media (ha ha); now they're making their job easier... entrapment perhaps?