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"Iron Man" Release Brings Down Paramount's Servers

secmartin writes "Shortly after the release of Iron Man on Blu-ray on October 1, people started complaining of defective discs; the problem turned out to be that all the Blu-ray players downloading additional content brought down Paramount's BD-Live servers, causing delays while loading the disc. Which really makes you wonder what will happen when they decide to shut down this service in a couple of years."

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  1. PS3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The PS3 has an option to allow/disallow Blu-Ray discs to connect to the Internet. It might be for just this sort of thing?

    1. Re:PS3 by lysergic.acid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      how much live content is there usually? with the huge capacity of dual-layer BDs wouldn't it be more efficient to just put the live content on the disc itself in the first place?

      i mean, unless they're having users download more than 4~5 GB of data, it should be possible to squeeze the live content onto the BD by compressing the movie by 1% or stripping out previews. and if they are having users download more than 5 GB of data then that seems really impractical anyway.

      the only thing i see live content being good for is perhaps for downloading extra subtitle languages so studios don't have to print localized discs for smaller markets, or perhaps you're a Czech living in the U.S. and want to buy a BD at the local Best Buy but still want Czech subs, etc. and depending on how compressed the audio streams are, they could also do this with alternate language streams.

    2. Re:PS3 by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 5, Insightful

      how much live content is there usually? with the huge capacity of dual-layer BDs wouldn't it be more efficient to just put the live content on the disc itself in the first place?

      Without time travel ability, no. "Live content" means "That movie you bought 5 years ago is showing trailers for next summer's movie lineup."

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    3. Re:PS3 by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't remember that, but you might very well be right. I don't go into those menus very often. What I do know is that the Iron Man disc itself asks if you want to download whatever extra content there might be. Just pick "no" and the menu loads and the movie plays perfectly, at least it did for me.

    4. Re:PS3 by maugle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      With "Live content", that movie you bought 5 years ago is showing trailers for upcoming movies. Long, unskippable trailers. For movies you're not interested in. That use up your bandwidth and make you go over your bandwidth cap.

    5. Re:PS3 by Fractal+Dice · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Without time travel ability, no. "Live content" means "That movie you bought 5 years ago is showing trailers for next summer's movie lineup."

      What about putting live ads on the background billboards or changing the brand of burger the hero eats? I would expect updated product placements will be the next wave of live content.

    6. Re:PS3 by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      i thought the BD live content was extra content only downloaded once when you first play the disc--things like bonus scenes, soundtracks, ringtones, and other promo material--rather than just video streamed live each time you play it.

      Neither, actually, unless they're being particularly stupid. More likely, downloaded once, whenever either you choose to download them, or the disc does -- and then saved, so you can watch them again. Live streaming would be reserved for places where it actually matters -- as in, content which is also being generated live.

      preview trailers are something you skip over, not something you waste bandwidth on.

      Preview trailers are also the most trivial, and the most useless, of the things that are possible with this.

      I worked on some client-side programming for HD-DVD, before it died. Basically, you've got a little bit of local storage, an Internet connection, and a script engine. You can download small videos and play them, or you can run a program overlaid on top of the movie -- this is how menus were done, but we were doing a lot more than just menus.

      Now, from what I remember of Paramount's discs, they pretty much re-downloaded several megs (at least) worth of data on boot -- including every single file needed for said scripts. The only exception was actual media, as in audio and video.

      So, they're basically replacing a bunch of data that was already there on the disc. Unlike some other discs, you have no choice -- you will update, before you watch the movie.

      That's not really "defectivebydesign", as it's got nothing to do with DRM. It is, however, a defective design. Subtle but very important difference.

      It's possible none of this applies to the Blu-Ray, but I suspect it's very similar, and I very much doubt that any of it involves re-downloading the same trailer over and over.

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    7. Re:PS3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's not really "defectivebydesign", as it's got nothing to do with DRM. It is, however, a defective design.

      Thanks. That clears it up.

  2. Great Idea! by Gazzonyx · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now that they've got their servers back up and running, let's slashdot 'em!
    Now I remember why I decided to go with software development over network administration!

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    1. Re:Great Idea! by Joe+U · · Score: 5, Funny

      Now I remember why I decided to go with software development over network administration!

      As a network administrator, let me be the first to say, I hate you.

    2. Re:Great Idea! by Gazzonyx · · Score: 5, Funny

      The feeling is mutual. But, look on the bright side... at least we're not database administrators :)

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    3. Re:Great Idea! by stoolpigeon · · Score: 5, Funny

      And you know why we become DBAs - because we don't just hate you -- we hate everybody. Us Oracle DBAs even hate ourselves.

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    4. Re:Great Idea! by DeionXxX · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're not dead yet? Damn modern medicine is keeping people alive forever... so much for quality over quantity... too bad euthanasia is not legal ;-)

    5. Re:Great Idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You all better be glad we in Medicine love you all. If we were anything like you guys...

    6. Re:Great Idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I shudder at the thought...

      - Hey, any idea whether this tissue does anything important?
      - Can't remember... cut it out and we'll see where it breaks.

  3. STEP2 REVEALED!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. Take a distributed distribution system.
    2. Centralize it create a single point of failure.
    3. PROFIT!

  4. Poor planning... by PhasmatisApparatus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...from companies who have also bought into DRM. Go figure, right?

    That optional, downloadable content would slow down the movie itself is just another extension of the two minutes of FBI warning I am forced to sit through when I play a DVD in a standard player.

    How much further will this go before the majority of people begin to care?

  5. Re:Why is it downloading at all? by theripper · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here's a hint:

    When picking on someone for their spelling, don't misspell words.

    Ignorat twit.

  6. media conglomerates: by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    pirated movies

    it's not just about avoiding $20

    it's about avoiding this kind of bullshit

    when you weigh down your product with this kind of bullshit, pirate product is superior product

    retards

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  7. Pure FUD by FSWKU · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is no requirement to actually utilize the BD-Live features to watch this title. I picked it up the other day, popped the disc into my PS3 and let it load. You know what happened? A screen came up ASKING wether or not I wanted to download the additional content. I chose not to, and it continued on its merry way to the main menu and I was able to watch the movie without any issues whatsoever.

    No BD-Live just means I can't have the option to have random quiz questions pop up on my screen during the film like "What kind of plane is shooting at Iron Man?" (F-22, btw). So no, it won't cause the world to end if they shut down the servers. All you have to do is click "No" and continue on to watch the movie that you actually bought the disc for.

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  8. It's not about live content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's about tracking the consumer. Even if the "live content" was all of one kilobyte Paramount would host it on their own server. Having each disk "dial home" is in valuable for marketing and racketeering^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hcopyright enforcement.

  9. Re:Why is it downloading at all? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's not the lack of knowledge about Blu-Ray that makes you ignorant. It's the fact that you can't spell 'ignorance'.

    You should look up the definition of ignorance. Then you should look up the definition of typo.

    And I think this was more of a " updataeable content" bit anyway.

    *sigh* Well maybe by the time you've mastered usage of those words your sphincter muscles will relax enough to pull your head out.

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  10. trying to kill first-sale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This definitely breaks First-sale Doctrine. coming straight from Wikipedia:

    "In 1997 in Novell v. Network Trade Center 25 F. Supp. 2d 1218 (C.D. Utah 1997)[2] purchaser is an "owner" by way of sale and is entitled to the use and enjoyment of the software with the same rights as exist in the purchase of any other good. Said software transactions do not merely constitute the sale of a license to use the software. The shrinkwrap license included with the software is therefore invalid as against such a purchaser insofar as it purports to maintain title to the software in the copyright owner. Under the first sale doctrine, NTC was able to redistribute the software to end-users without copyright infringement. Transfer of a copyrighted work that is subject to the first sale doctrine extinguishes all distribution rights of the copyright holder upon transfer of title."

    and

    "In 2008, in Timothy S. Vernor v. Autodesk Inc.[2], a U.S. Federal District Judge in Washington rejected a software vendor's argument that it only licensed copies of its software, rather than selling them, and that therefore any resale of the software constituted copyright infringement. Judge Richard A. Jones cited first-sale doctrine when ruling that a reseller was entitled to sell used copies of the vendor's software regardless of any licensing agreement that might have bound the software's previous owners [3]."

  11. Re:Sony could have learned from Microsoft by AdamInParadise · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For example, Airline reservation systems. Or Slashdot. Or anything web-based. Or your Visa card, Mastercard, ATM card. Strange how effective those electronic debit machines are, even though they assume 100% uptime of the Visa/MC/Debit back end systems? What about your phone? Doesn't it assume 100% uptime of the call routers and connection?

    Actually, all those systems assume that the network will be down "sometimes" and have build-in mechanisms to deal with them. In some cases, there is no solution but to wait for the affected service to come back: my browser did not went dead during the Great Slashdot Blackout. In some other cases, they can continue to work in a degraded mode. For example, a merchant can accept credit and debit card "offline" and process them later. The risks are far greater than processing cards "online" but, hey, the merchant can still sell stuff even if the network is down. Same thing for ATMs: if the network is down, they will still accept cards but will only distribute small amounts of money.

    The case for phones is more interesting. The introduction of VOIP actually degraded the reliability of fixed-lines phones, including the reliability of emergency calls. VOIP operators usually weasel out of this mess by stating that "everyone has a cell phone now."

    Providing a 99.999% uptime is really expensive. Furthermore, in most cases you can't control every other point in the delivery chain (the network, the other participants' servers...), so a service must be able to deal with downtime. It seems possible to configure some BD players to prevent the disc to download new content. If the Ironman BD cannot run in this case, well that's just means that the application on the disc was not correctly tested.

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