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Election Dirty Tricks About To Begin

An anonymous reader writes "ABC is warning that dirty election tricks are about to start. In the past, they've ranged from late-night robo-calls to voter intimidation. ABC has a pretty good list of what to watch out for as told by Allen Raymond, a former Republican operative, who was reformed after spending three months in prison in 2006 for pulling some of the stunts he now helps to prevent." To make this story timely, last week someone broke into a McCain campaign office in Missouri and stole a laptop computer containing "strategic information" about the local campaign.

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  1. Country First? by Bombula · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Funny how often "Country First" seems to involve stealing, lying, and trampling all over democracy, law, equality, justice and the Constitution...

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  2. Already started by joey_skunk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Where have you guys been? The ads have been on TV for a couple of weeks. The economy is going down the tubes, so distraction is the key.

  3. Re:No, the real trick by Kentaree · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Strange that, you'd nearly think it was a popularity contest... oh wait

  4. Demagogues by Paolone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dictatorships are run by dictators. Monarchies are run by monarchs. Democracies are run by demagogues. What did you expect? for the people to vote for the best candidate? no way. They'll vote what appears to be better for them. It's not like you can vote based on what you don't know... :)

  5. Re:dirty tricks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What is your source for them being illegal aliens? or just making up facts as you go?
    I'm willing to bet it's the later.
    They are simply guilty of the greatest crime in America, being poor. Regardless they are still human and if citizens just as worthy of a vote as you are.

  6. the dirtiest trick is already out of the bag by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    electronic voting. no better device for dirty tricks has ever been invented

    paper ballots. ocr. end of debate

    anything else, including traditional mechanical voting machines, are ripe for abuse. not because you can't do dirty tricks with paper ballots, but because electronic voting (and to a lesser degree tradtional mechanical voting machines) increases the number of attack vectors by an order of magnitude, and increases the damage a lone operative can do, exponentially

    fox news? plutocrat neocons? liberal media? america hating moonbats? corporate lobbyists? christian dominionists? uninformed apathetic voters?

    make a list of what you consider the greatest threat to american democracy

    nope, wrong

    it's electronic voting. electronic voting removes transparency and introduces distrust into the voting process. electronic voting will prove to be the biggest mistake and the greatest threat to american democracy

    democracy's greatest strength is that it creates legitimacy, no other form of government renews legitimacy in the eyes of its people. it gives the people a real voice in their own government. remove that trust with black box voting, and you remove legitimacy and stability and faith in the government. lose that, and you lose everything

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  7. Re:No, the real trick by wanderingknight · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Man, I wish more Americans realized the emptiness of their "political" debates. The pointlessness of a two-party system based on false antagonisms and dichotomies.

    Sadly, there seems to be no hope in sight. At least they will apparently not continue to dominate the world, if we go by recent events.

  8. Re:I'm already a victim of these tactics by Sebilrazen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The companies that sell armored vehicles and bullets to the military would have to admit there are benefits to Muslim extremism when they look at their profits report.

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  9. Re:No, the real trick by GaryPatterson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The pointlessness of a two-party system based on false antagonisms and dichotomies.

    Sadly, when you look to countries which have more workable multi-party systems you often see far more political instability. Look at Japan, many European countries and so on - weak coalitions that are easily toppled as political allegiances change.

    I'm not advocating a two-party system as perfect. I just can't see anything better in practice today.

  10. McCain v. Obama v. third-party by Rinisari · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We need to continue drilling the McCain campaign on economic issues. Neither McCain nor Palin has addressed the economy in an intelligent, organized manner.

    We need to continue drilling Obama on the constitutionality of the things he wants to do. Social healthcare is prominent unconstitutional issue and it must be drilled.

    We need to continue drilling the media to get more focus on the third party candidates and the up to 10% of the vote they have in some states, especially swing states like Ohio.

    Our dirty tricks--we the geeks--can be to FLOOD iReport, Digg, Reddit, and such with third party coverage. They need to be inundated with it.

  11. Re:dirty tricks by INeededALogin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Perhaps because:
    A) They don't pay taxes
    B) They don't own land
    C) They don't have families
    D) They don't have any interaction with most laws (from cars to copyright) ...and so on...

    Maybe we need a country and people that believe in statements like: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

  12. Re:dirty tricks by Kierthos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Perhaps because:
    A) They don't pay taxes
    B) They don't own land
    C) They don't have families
    D) They don't have any interaction with most laws (from cars to copyright) ...and so on...

    You do realize that in the United States, the minimum age to register to vote is 18, right?

    And a lot of 18-year-olds are still living at home, may not have jobs and are therefore not paying taxes (BTW, poll taxes were eliminated in the U.S. by 1966.), and probably don't have dependents of their own?

    Wow... by your qualifications, they shouldn't be allowed to vote either, huh?

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  13. Re:No, the real trick by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Man, I wish more people realized the irrelevance of countries. The pointlessness of systems based on false antagonisms and dichotomies.

    Actually, I think there's some hope.

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  14. Re:dirty tricks by timster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The line that moved your post from bigoted to just plain stupid was reason D. Your idea of "most laws" is "cars and copyright"? Homeless people have far more interaction with the actually important laws, and far more need for those laws to be reasonable and just, than people whose idea of the "law" is limited to traffic rules and copyright.

    I don't know what "propositions" you are talking about (though I don't follow Mississippi politics), but all your "criteria" would be explicitly unconstitutional.

    Did you know that most homeless people are not actually homeless for very long? Only a minority would even fall into your batshit-crazy idea that people without land or children have no stake in the future of our society.

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  15. Re:No, the real trick by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "They both just repeatedly misstated the other campaign's position while only extolling the virtues of their own."

    That's their job but I think there was much more to it than that. I'm a 50-ish Aussie who knows virtually nothing about Biden or Palin, I watched the debate on youtube expecting to see a loudmouth yanky politician argue with a rabid "soccer mom". What I saw was a polished statesman forced into debating a not so rabid "soccer mom", eg: in his conclusion he pratically begged the American people to choose reason and science over fear and faith.

    That he had to have the debate with such an ordinary crackpot speaks volumes for American democracy, choosing Biden would speak equally well of Joe Sixpack.

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  16. Re:No, the real trick by drakono · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I find that a very dubious claim. The Constitution enumerates the powers that the federal legislative bodies should hold, and grants them the authority to do so. The problem is that politicians use the clause giving them power to regulate interstate commerce, combined with the necessary-and-proper clause, to put their hands into everything. The typical defense of this view is McCulloch v. Maryland, in which SCOTUS granted the federal government the power to institute a bank. Given that the Constitution grants the power "To coin Money, [and] regulate the Value thereof," this isn't too troubling. But today you'll find all sorts of situations where powers have been stretched much, much further.

    While recent Republicans have been quite guilty of this, I view the Democrats as the worse offenders. You won't find federal authority over education in the Constitution. Or welfare. Or science subsidies. Or health care.

    I'm not saying these are bad ideas. I'm saying the Constitution does not grant that authority to the federal government. Implied or correlated powers are one thing, but completely unrelated powers are another. Someone who's read and understood the Constitution by itself should conclude that these are issues that should be handled by the several states. It's sad that neither party represents the viewpoint that a lot of people hold -- that the federal government should be made weaker, not stronger.

  17. Re:No, the real trick by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And she's gone on to have a very high popularity rating in her home state.

    How long do you think that's going to last now that the McCain campaign has flown in a bunch of high-priced Washington lawyers to interfere with the troopergate investigation? Frontier independent types aren't going to like being told what to do by out of town lawyers -- even if they disagreed with the investigation in the first place.

    Make no mistake about it, Palin is smart

    What's smart about believing that the Earth is 6,000 years old and that man and the dinosaurs walked the Earth together?

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