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DMCA Exemption Time

jvillain writes "Contentagenda notes that the Copyright Office is taking submissions for exemptions to the DMCA. They do this every three years. There's a description of the six exemptions made last time to give you some ideas. So fire up the keyboard and let the Copyright Office know what needs to be changed. If you don't get in now, it'll be another three years before you can try again."

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  1. Since the Summary Is Poor. . . by Apple+Acolyte · · Score: 5, Informative

    I decided to copy the text of TFA:

    Media Wonk

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    Paul Sweeting

    Paul Sweeting is the editor of ContentAgenda.com and a columnist for Video Business. He has covered the home entertainment industries since 1985 for Billboard, Variety, Publishers Weekly and other leading business publications. He is based in Washington, DC.

    It's DMCA exemption time! - October 6, 2008
    Get those anti-circumvention exemptions ready kids! It's time for the Copyright Office's triennial review of Section 1201(a)(1) of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, in which the Register of Copyrights makes recommendations to the Librarian of Congress about granting temporary exemptions to the ban on circumventing encryption on certain classes of works. The federal register notice is here. Congress added the triennial review to the DMCA as a fail-safe mechanism, in case it turned out that the blanket ban on circumvention was "unduly burdening" fair use of certain types of work. The exemptions are only good for three years, however, and must be reapplied for with each review.

    The last rulemaking, in 2006, resulted in six exemptions:

            1. Audiovisual works included in the educational library of a college or universityâ€(TM)s film or media studies department, when circumvention is accomplished for the purpose of making compilations of portions of those works for educational use in the classroom by media studies or film professors.

            2. Computer programs and video games distributed in formats that have become obsolete and that require the original media or hardware as a condition of access, when circumvention is accomplished for the purpose of preservation or archival reproduction of published digital works by a library or archive. A format shall be considered obsolete if the machine or system necessary to render perceptible a work stored in that format is no longer manufactured or is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace.

            3. Computer programs protected by dongles that prevent access due to malfunction or damage and which are obsolete. A dongle shall be considered obsolete if it is no longer manufactured or if a replacement or repair is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace.

            4. Literary works distributed in ebook format when all existing ebook editions of the work (including digital text editions made available by authorized entities) contain access controls that prevent the enabling either of the bookâ€(TM)s read-aloud function or of screen readers that render the text into a specialized format.

            5. Computer programs in the form of firmware that enable wireless telephone handsets to connect to a wireless telephone communication network, when circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of lawfully connecting to a wireless telephone communication network.

            6. Sound recordings, and audiovisual works associated with those sound recordings, distributed in compact disc format and protected by technological protection measures that control access to lawfully purchased works and create or exploit security flaws or vulnerabilities that compromise the security of personal computers, when circumvention is accomplished solely for the purpose of good faith testing, investigating, or correcting such security flaws or vulnerabilities.

    Written comments recommending exemptions are due in the Copyright Office December 2, 2008. A notice of proposed rulemaking will be issued later in December based on those recommendations, and final comments are due February 2, 2009.

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    1. Re:Since the Summary Is Poor. . . by adpsimpson · · Score: 4, Interesting
      1. Remove "Fair Use" clause from US copyright
      2. Replace with 6 completely defined cases of limited scope
      3. ???
      4. Profit.

      I suggest the exemption "Works protected by copyright where copying or circumventing technical protection measures is performed for purposes that would be traditionally considered fair use?"

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    2. Re:Since the Summary Is Poor. . . by electrictroy · · Score: 1

      >>>2. Computer programs and video games distributed in formats that have become obsolete and that require the original media or hardware as a condition of access, when circumvention is accomplished for the purpose of preservation or archival reproduction of published digital works by a library or archive.
      >>>

      Awesome! That means I can freely copy Atari 2600, Commodore 64, Colecovision, and other ancient videogames. Cool. Because my Atari died long ago (making my 60 carts unplayable), and my Commodore is also on its last legs. A couple of the floppies died too.

      Good exemption. It's stupid to allow old works of art to die just because their format has passed away.

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    3. Re:Since the Summary Is Poor. . . by adpsimpson · · Score: 2, Informative

      This exemption is talking about the right to circumvent copy prevention, not actually the right to copy the media, if I understand it right.

      As such you are not breaking the pro DRM clause of the DMCA, but may still be foul of copyright law. Of course, this is where "fair use" becomes relevant.

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    4. Re:Since the Summary Is Poor. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You are not a library or an archive. This exemption does not apply to you.

      Most of these exceptions are incredibly narrow. Read carefully.

      IANAL, but my common-sense understanding says that it's not specifically permitted, which means it is at least ambiguous enough to tie you up in court for several thousand dollars to try to prove your use is OK.

    5. Re:Since the Summary Is Poor. . . by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      7. Any encrypted or protected media - so the lawful user can utilise it on any one device at a time

      This would make the real purpose of the DCMA pointless but make the stated purpose still valid ...

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    6. Re:Since the Summary Is Poor. . . by Gewalt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why are private libraries invalid in your world? They were extremely important as the foundation of public libraries. You know why? buncha idiots thought asinine restrictions were good for sales.

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    7. Re:Since the Summary Is Poor. . . by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      "And they say the people would go to the King to plead for justice, or for some small favor from that man so much their better. And if the King, being nobler in every facet of his being; whether the wisdom he held, the kindness in his heart, the sternness of his hand, or merely the fantastical way the robes would lay across his wide shoulders, were moved, he would grant with such judiciousness that all would stand in wonder as the downtrodden and abused gained their small petitions. And all would leave his audience, feeling that they're tiny, miserable lives had been so greatly improved merely by having shared the heady airs of his audience chamber. That was the King, or so they say."

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    8. Re:Since the Summary Is Poor. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about this:

      Any restriction that inhibits fair use* rights by the following:

      A. Making it difficult or impossible to make 1 backup copy, as long as that backup copy is strictly for archival purposes, and is not distributed in any way

      B. Making it difficult or impossible (legally or otherwise) to play legally purchased music. movies or use legally purchased software on any device owned by the purchaser, or forcing the purchaser to pay a license fee to legally play the legally purchased media on any device owned by the purchaser.

      *For the purpose of this submission, fair use is defined as the right of the legal purchaser of any movie, music, or software to use the software, or play the movie/music on any device owned by the legal purchaser, regardless of the media containing said software/movie/music, and the right of the legal purchaser to make an archival backup copy of any legally purchased software/movie/music.

    9. Re:Since the Summary Is Poor. . . by porpnorber · · Score: 1

      You should also add "working around fraudulent, malicious or incompetent 'copy protection' schemes wherein the DMCA is employed as a legal protection of 'snake oil.'" To me, this is the single largest issue: it's stupid to overemphasise the rights of corporate copyright holders at the expense of the citizens, but to pass a law that simply saying that something is a copy protection or encryption scheme makes it so is exactly like legislating that for some purposes pi is 3.

    10. Re:Since the Summary Is Poor. . . by iplayfast · · Score: 4, Funny

      I can only think of two exemptions.

      1. Software

      2. Hardware

      There may be others, but that's all I can come up with.

    11. Re:Since the Summary Is Poor. . . by electrictroy · · Score: 1

      Oh.

      So nothing's changed then. The Commodore 64 games I copied back in the 80s are still illegal. (shrug). Pass the beer nuts.

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    12. Re:Since the Summary Is Poor. . . by tonyreadsnews · · Score: 1

      3. Wetware

    13. Re:Since the Summary Is Poor. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firmware?

    14. Re:Since the Summary Is Poor. . . by cibyr · · Score: 1

      Firmware is just a specific type of software.

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    15. Re:Since the Summary Is Poor. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A comment on TFA I liked from "Fred":

      Allow at least 1 digital copy for each piece of playback equipment owned by the same person who owns the media copy. For example, there are digital media DRM types that use online registration or other degenerative restrictions to limit copies to as few as 3 pieces of playback equipment. Such limitation no longer constitutes traditional media copy ownership -- it becomes device-limited or even time-limited (measured in limited device lifetime) rental. Therefore, any system that does not allow at least one copy per piece of equipment owned should have to be re-designated as a rental, not a traditional purchase. Relevant fraud, false advertisement, and consumer protections should be enforced when such a rental system claims to be a traditional purchase type.

  2. I love how... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... the exemptions are temporary but the law is permanent.

    1. Re:I love how... by Z00L00K · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Until someone decides to invalidate the law.

      Just keep copyright bound to a person and not to a company. And let the copyright be valid only 5 years after the death of that person to let it be able to cover for funeral costs in case that's needed.

      For computer software there should only be copyright if there is support for the software.

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    2. Re:I love how... by Sun.Jedi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Just keep copyright bound to a person and not to a company.

      I generally agree.

      And let the copyright be valid only 5 years after the death of that person to let it be able to cover for funeral costs in case that's needed.

      I disagree. We should not have laws or rules on the books which -encourage- the one hit wonder, or the 'create ONE work, live forever off of it' mentality.

      Public Domain is our friend.

    3. Re:I love how... by hobbit · · Score: 3, Funny

      let the copyright be valid only 5 years after the death of that person to let it be able to cover for funeral costs

      Could even be shorter than that... corpses start to smell after a while...

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    4. Re:I love how... by inphinity · · Score: 1

      I disagree. We should not have laws or rules on the books which -encourage- the one hit wonder, or the 'create ONE work, live forever off of it' mentality.

      Shouldn't this be the burden of the music/film/literary industry rather than the federal government?

      If Fox wants to spitting out endless seasons of American Idol, let them. It's not the government's place to encourage creativity.

    5. Re:I love how... by pjt33 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sure, but you don't want to encourage film directors to hire hitmen when authors refuse to sell them the rights to adapt their bestsellers.

    6. Re:I love how... by WinPimp2K · · Score: 5, Insightful

      " It's not the government's place to encourage creativity"

      Umm.. better re-read the little phrase in the Constitution that authorizes copyrights and patents. You know, the bit about promoting progress in the useful arts and sciences. It explicitly is the govenrment's place to encourage creativity. It's a pity that the govenrment seems to limit said encouragement to creative accounting practices nowadays.

      Perhaps you meant it is not the government's place to discourage mindless banal entertainments?

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    7. Re:I love how... by rufty_tufty · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "And let the copyright be valid only 5 years after the death of that person to let it be able to cover for funeral costs in case that's needed."

      A problem with death + 5 years is that for very lucrative works (e.g. Harry Potter) then it becomes profitable for people to assassinate the author simply in order to get rid of copyright on a work.

      Death + 50 years or at a push 20 years might do it, and the current 75 years is too long - especially when it is extendable e.g. Mickey Mouse never going out of copyright...

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    8. Re:I love how... by I'm+not+really+here · · Score: 1

      How about something a little more reasonable, such as 25 years. Period. End of discussion. On all copyrighted works. By then, it either has no value at all, or has become part of the popular culture and should move into the public domain.

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    9. Re:I love how... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The law is only permanent for as long as people keep voting for the parties that gave us the law. Stop voting republicrat and it can get repealed.

      A lot of people on Slashdot claim to dislike DMCA but most of them vote in favor of keeping it. I'm looking at you, Obama/McCain supporters.

    10. Re:I love how... by Sun.Jedi · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't this be the burden of the music/film/literary industry rather than the federal government?

      This is what the music industry WANTS. They want to maintain the copyrights for life + forever so they can continue to make $$ off of the same stale material AND they seem to endorse a 'pay for play' scheme. I'm saying that 'life + n years' is wrong for a copyright. I'd be much more amenable to something like 5 years before works or IP were pushed to public domain and available.

      We are talking copyright, not trademark.

    11. Re:I love how... by iplayfast · · Score: 1

      Yup. A five year limit on copyright, with very strict penalties for infringement would be more in keeping with today's fast changing world.

      IMHO

    12. Re:I love how... by Nick+Ives · · Score: 1

      A problem with death + 5 years is that for very lucrative works (e.g. Harry Potter) then it becomes profitable for people to assassinate the author simply in order to get rid of copyright on a work.

      Uhm, do you live in a rough part of the world or are you always that paranoid? I'm not convinced that shortening post-death copyright terms would lead to an increase in authors being bumped off!

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    13. Re:I love how... by delt0r · · Score: 1

      Fixed term would be my preference. say 10-20 years. 10 by default, and extra with fees. Keep em transferable, but after 20, not matter what its public domain.

      But the current terms are far too long. We need to redo the Bern convention. This goes for patents as well.

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    14. Re:I love how... by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Copyright, like patents, should be for fixed terms, not dependent on the health of the holder.

      life+t simply encourages Big Media to obtain the still-warm corpses of popular authors and preserve them with "extraordinary means" for as long as possible.

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    15. Re:I love how... by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      20 years total should be plenty. That's an entire generation. It's ludicrous that works produced when you're a child will not be out of copyright before your grandchildren have passed.

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    16. Re:I love how... by MBGMorden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not the government's place to encourage creativity.

      That's the entire point of copyright laws. The NATURAL order of things would be that anybody can copy anything they want. That's the way society worked for generations. If Ugg stole Zar's spear or hatchet they were gonna fight. If Ugg saw Zar using them, and decided to go out and grab some rocks and sticks and make his own spear or hatchet, then nobody gave a damn. Under that natural system there would be no "owners" of ideas. If you could create or duplicate of any item that another person possessed or invented using your own physical resources, then all was well. Copyright was established in order to grant creators a limited monopoly during which to profit from their works in order to . . . encourage creativity.

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    17. Re:I love how... by halcyon1234 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sure, but you don't want to encourage film directors to hire hitmen when authors refuse to sell them the rights to adapt their bestsellers.

      Hey, that sounds like a great idea for a bestseller. Might if I buy it off you?

    18. Re:I love how... by Ortega-Starfire · · Score: 1

      Wow. Someone actually still knows the Constitution in this day and age! Will you please run for office?

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    19. Re:I love how... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the patent time should be aligned with the copyright time. Both laws are designed to promote an protect IP. Why should a composer get a longer time to benefit from their effort than an inventor.

      I propose extending the patent exemption to life + 30 years for an individual or indefinitely for a corporation.

      Yes, I know that extending the patent exemption time would result in a net decrease in benefit to society at large, but so do the long copyright periods. I think people can understand the benefits of shorter patent periods. A proposal to align patents and copyrights might help force reasonable copyright periods.

      No I really don't think patents should be longer, I just can't understand the wide difference with copyrights.

      Full disclosure: I hold 10 patents, so I would benefit from longer patent periods or from shorter copyrights.

    20. Re:I love how... by ChrisMounce · · Score: 1

      Why have it depend on the author's lifetime? Maybe copyright should have a fixed duration.

    21. Re:I love how... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No way. Why should anyone profit off of a creator's work after they are deceased? Why should the children and grandchildren of an author, musician, or artist, profit off of something they did not do? While 5 years is a lot more modest than 95 years it is still disappointing that the copyright system wants to reward people who have nothing to do with the creative process. If a person couldn't make enough money during their lives to cover their life insurance, why would a posthumous royalty collection cover it.

      The copyright system should only last for about 10 years. I am sorry that may sound cruel and it sounds like it penalizes creative works but look at the world around us. Everything is fast paced, especially hardware and software. Why should a 10 year old copy of a piece of software enjoy the same copyright protections of a newly created work? In the world of software 10 years is pretty much a lifetime.

      Why should creative people be given a permanent (it's not limited if my great great grandchildren won't see it in public domain) monopoly on some work they did. If they are truly creative, they should be able to create better works and profit greatly in the limited time granted. If they can't, then what would 15, 20, or 100 years do? The extended copyrights are about laziness when it comes down to the individual, and greed when it comes to corporations. It is no surprise that money making entities would love to enjoy a monopoly on something created by them. All companies would love to have a perpetual stream of income with as little capital investment as possible.

      If you look at copyright for corporations, the longer an institution can hold on to a copyright and make money on it, the longer they can provide a revenue stream, while shrinking their capital costs to the point where it's near zero. Corporations almost never die and their IP most certainly never does. If disney were to file for bankruptcy tomorrow, their assets would be liquidated and their IP would be in the hands of another immortal corporation.

      Before the alarmists come out and say that our civilization depends on copyright, there was life before copyrights. There were tons of creative works around the world before the concept of copyright developed. Copyright is supposed to guarantee that those works are preserved and becomes useful for enhancing our innate need for creativity and progress, not to lock it up triple the lifespan of an average human being.

      Post Production media such as movies and recorded music should enjoy a 15 year copyright. Death or no death
      Books, scripts, songs (written) should enjoy a 20 year copyright.
      Hardware designs and software (code and usable executable form) should enjoy a 10 year copyright.

      These look short but guess what. If you wrote a story, wrote some code, or a song, you can improve it and write derivative works and profit off of those while your previous works copyright expires. Look at the case of Linux. Linux recently turned 17 years old. If software copyrights were 10 years, the current incarnation of the kernel would not automatically be under public domain, just state of the source code 10 years ago.

      Point is, if copyrights were reasonable and much shorter, you would see tons more innovation in this world, you'd see authors get off of their asses creating more content, you'd see corporations coming up with new products to get an edge on the rest of the competition, while at the same time using newly expired ideas.

    22. Re:I love how... by zzatz · · Score: 1

      There was nothing wrong with earlier US law: 14 years, plus one renewal of 14 years, if you thought the renewal was worth the paperwork. But the US joined the international Berne convention, and changed the laws to bring them into conformance with the rest of the world. This was by and large a good idea, as it included automatic copyright the instant you create something.

      The problem is that unlike the US, many European countries have a concept of moral rights. This is the right of an artist to prevent uses that damage his artistic vision. For a timely example, there are several songwriters who are unhappy that their songs are being used for political purposes counter to the meaning and intent of the song. A limited term for royalties makes sense; inalienable moral rights naturally apply for the life of the artist. Those completely separate issues became entangled, and even though the US still does not recognize moral rights, we ended up with copyright lengths appropriate for moral rights. The media cartels were active in sowing confusion and misinformation that allowed the separate issues to be conflated, just as they like to lump copyrights, trademarks, and patents together to muddy the waters. Big media hates moral rights, of course, but were happy to use them as a smokescreen. They got what they wanted: lifetime copyrights. They stripped out what they didn't like: non-transferable moral rights regarding the artist's vision.

      A common use for moral rights is when a director prevents distribution of a version of a movie with unauthorized (by him) edits. I've never understood why a movie director has moral rights but the producer, the composer of the score, and the actors don't.

  3. I guess it's too late... by mrbene · · Score: 1

    For that WoW Glider guy.

  4. Sort of on topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Venomfangx Apologizes to the Internets: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_MYyc-PtH4

  5. Within a single device... by grimJester · · Score: 4, Insightful

    An exemption should be made for copying within a single device (HD to RAM, for example) or between devices owned by the same person. If I can wish for anything here, make an exemption for any copying without distribution.

    1. Re:Within a single device... by adpsimpson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How about a simple exemption for "fair use?"

      This would of course cover your examples, plus the 6 already listed and any number of other situations where the value of the intellectual property is not in any way lessened.

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    2. Re:Within a single device... by Overzeetop · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It already exists. The problem is that it's illegal to sell, trade, or give away any program or information which helps the end user circumvent the protection for any purpose, including fair use. It's like making guns legal, but outlawing the manufacture and publication of instructions on how to make guns, ammunition, and propellants.

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    3. Re:Within a single device... by Hatta · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Any right they can take away from you, they can sell back to you. So, from a publishers point of view, all fair use rights lessen the value of a work.

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    4. Re:Within a single device... by hobbit · · Score: 1

      It already exists. The problem is that it's illegal to sell, trade, or give away any program or information which helps the end user circumvent the protection for any purpose, including fair use.

      How can an exemption for fair use "already exist" if it's illegal to do those things "for any purpose, including fair use"?

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    5. Re:Within a single device... by Overzeetop · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, the law is very specific in preserving existing fair use rights. What it prevents is anyone providing the means for circumvention to exercise those rights. So if you are allowed, under fair use, to format shift then you are allowed to do so for a DRM encrypted file as well. The only challenge is that it is illegal for anyone to sell software to crack the encryption. Note that I didn't say that it was illegal to buy cracking software - only to sell it. It's like telling you that you can drink as much as you want, but it is illegal for anyone to give or sell you anything to drink. You can't even pay someone to dig a well for you, or sell you a pump - you have to do it yourself, or find someone who is outside of US jurisdiction to do it.

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    6. Re:Within a single device... by hobbit · · Score: 1

      So is it currently illegal for anyone to sell the means to circumvent DRM for those 6 cases listed in the article?

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    7. Re:Within a single device... by d3ac0n · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So is it currently illegal for anyone to sell the means to circumvent DRM for those 6 cases listed in the article?

      Bingo.

      Sell, or give away. At least within US Jurisdiction. Thankfully, the Internet is global.

      My own personal addition would be:

      "Sales or gifts of software designed to aid in the decryption of protected works where that decryption is performed for uses defined under Fair Use principles."

      Let's just get the Copyright office to gut the law this time around.

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    8. Re:Within a single device... by hobbit · · Score: 1

      Wow.

      Someone must have been very pleased with themselves with that outcome. "Don't worry, people won't be tied to mobile phone contracts... [under breath] as long as they're damn good hackers!"

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    9. Re:Within a single device... by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Actually, they wanted to lynch Rep. Boucher (who happens to be from my district) for adding back the fair use and other exceptions. They were hoping for a wholesale runaround of that part of previous legal rulings. And, of course, it doesn't apply to mobile phone contracts; it's the non-contractual nature of commercial sales of media products (computer software if you presume EULAs are illegal, audiovisual recordings) that matters.

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    10. Re:Within a single device... by T-Bone-T · · Score: 1

      That is pretty much just like Prohibition. Alcohol wasn't prohibited but basically everything you wanted to do with it was prohibited.

  6. Making math illegal. by HungryHobo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Can anyone tell me: how strong does encryption have to be to make breaking it illegal?

    Say I create an "encryption algorithm" for images which when it comes down to it does nothing more than invert the image, is anyone selling software which can "break" my encryption now breaking the law?

    What if I use nothing more than thousand year old classic like a Caesar cipher to encrypt my media- Is any kid who writes a trivial program to crack such ciphers(specific to my media or not) then breaking the law?

    Is thinking about breaking encryption illegal? Is it limited to digital devices or is it illegal to write down a mathamatical formula on paper which can be used to break an encryption scheme?Is it illegal to give the formula to people? How about emailing it to people? How about if the formula is written in a manner than can be parsed by a computer? Or if it's simply example source code for such a program with no executable? that same source code compiled?

    Where's the line?

    1. Re:Making math illegal. by PhilHibbs · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is no line. If the case goes to court, the judge or jury will make a decision. It's impossible to draw a line in a situation like this. Also it doesn't have to be a device, CSS keys posted on Digg and elsewhere have been slapped with DMCA take-down notices before now - although just because some company issued a take-down notice, that doesn't mean it would stand up in court. Also DeCSS source code has been taken down as well.

      In the case of the Caesar cypher, I think the (specific to my media or not) is important, it has to be specific to your media in order to infringe your rights under the DMCA. If you're daft enough to use some media format that is so common that there might actually be ROT13 code out there that already works on it without modification, then you'd probably be thrown out of court.

    2. Re:Making math illegal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is trollish.

      Breaking encryption is not illegal, neither is thinking about breaking encryption.

    3. Re:Making math illegal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      You are obsviously a terrorist trying to abuse the U.S. laws, meant for good citizens to respect.

      Your IP has been recorded, your house is now laser marked, and an A10 Thunderbolt is currently on it's way to resolve the threat your subersive comment has put on this country.

    4. Re:Making math illegal. by Sun.Jedi · · Score: 3, Funny

      Your IP has been recorded

      I hope they are not using the MediaSentry method of IP recognition and determination.

    5. Re:Making math illegal. by malignant_minded · · Score: 1

      Between DVD encryption and that game with the scrambled picture and the missing square that you have to move around in order to figure out the picture?

    6. Re:Making math illegal. by 91degrees · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Can anyone tell me: how strong does encryption have to be to make breaking it illegal?

      It's up to human judgement. You would need to convince the court that your "encryption" is a mechanism for preventing unauthorised access. Your opponent would try to convince the court that it isn't. You may want to find a cryptography specialist as an expert witness

      What if I use nothing more than thousand year old classic like a Caesar cipher to encrypt my media- Is any kid who writes a trivial program to crack such ciphers(specific to my media or not) then breaking the law?

      See above. Most cryptography specialist would point out that this is just a data representation change.

      Is thinking about breaking encryption illegal?

      No.

      Is it limited to digital devices or is it illegal to write down a mathamatical formula on paper which can be used to break an encryption scheme?

      It's manufacturing, importing or distributing a device that is intended for circumventing encryption. Probably wouldn't apply to a formula.

      Is it illegal to give the formula to people? How about emailing it to people?

      Depends on your motivations. This is different from your stated motivations. If you're clearly lying when you're saying it's for academic study only then it's still not legal.

      Where's the line?

      There is no line. This is why humans interpret the laws rather than machines. We can handle fuzzy logic.

    7. Re:Making math illegal. by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 1

      Where's the line?

      The line is where it is perceived to, now or in the future, cost a company money.

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    8. Re:Making math illegal. by LordSnooty · · Score: 1

      Dammit, you people just don't give up on your quest to copy every bit of Intellectual Property you can find!

    9. Re:Making math illegal. by HungryHobo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's manufacturing, importing or distributing a device that is intended for circumventing encryption. Probably wouldn't apply to a formula.

      And if that formula is machine parseable since that's what code boils down to...

      Depends on your motivations. This is different from your stated motivations. If you're clearly lying when you're saying it's for academic study only then it's still not legal.

      Where did I say it was for academic study? Does it mention it in the DMCA? Is it one of those screwup pieces of legislation where it's legal if I print the source code for a copy protection cracker in a book (think PGP) and mail it to someone but illegal if I email it to them. Or would both be illegal?

    10. Re:Making math illegal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Except that it is illegal in fascist America.

    11. Re:Making math illegal. by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Where did I say it was for academic study?

      I didn't. It's an example.

      Is it one of those screwup pieces of legislation where it's legal if I print the source code for a copy protection cracker in a book (think PGP) and mail it to someone but illegal if I email it to them. Or would both be illegal?

      Nope. It depends on the purpose of sending it. If you post it to them for the explicit reason of allowing them to illegally circumvent copyright protections then it's potentially illegal. If you email it to them explicitly so they may take advantage of one of the exceptions to the DMCA then it's probably legal.

    12. Re:Making math illegal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is being able to read illegal? What about if I devise an encryption scheme such that plaintext == cyphertext? Is it not encryption?

    13. Re:Making math illegal. by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      ok, so disseminating knowledge on a certain subject is illegal due to the DMCA except in a few unusual cases.You cleared it up nicely.

      Wonder how this gets around the first. If export of "weapons" was protected as long as it was a book I can only guess how long this will hold up.

    14. Re:Making math illegal. by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      In the wonderful world of lawyers technical reality don't really matter.

      They just get someone to stand up and say they in their opinion that doesn't count.

    15. Re:Making math illegal. by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      Ok so the dissemination of knowledge on certain subjects is illegal unless it's covered under one of the little exceptions. That clears it up nicely, cheers.

      wonder how it gets around the first. If the export of "weapons" was legal if printed in a book then I can only imagine how this would go in court.

    16. Re:Making math illegal. by Megane · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dammit, you people just don't give up on your quest to copy every bit of Intellectual Property you can find!

      One more bit copied.

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    17. Re:Making math illegal. by TehZorroness · · Score: 1

      And if that formula is machine parseable since that's what code boils down to...

      I don't know why the FSF doesn't just ignore software patents and the DMCA. They should let this argument be taken to court so both of these rediculous restrictions can be shut the fuck down. I'm pretty sure the FSF, SFLC, and/or EFF have enough money to throw at it.

    18. Re:Making math illegal. by wisty · · Score: 1

      Tb gb wnvy. Tb qverpgyl gb wnvy. Qb abg cnff Tb. Qb abg pbyyrpg 200 qbyynef.

    19. Re:Making math illegal. by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      -1 pedantic for me, but...
      A10's are not usually used for this sort of thing, more likely to be an F16/F22

      Cheers and carry on,
      -nB

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    20. Re:Making math illegal. by LeafOnTheWind · · Score: 1

      As a cryptographic specialist, I feel required to point out that all common encryption algorithms are "representation changes." Modern ciphers are just complicated combinations of substitution and transposition at a sufficiently abstracted level. The term S-box is an abbreviation of "Substitution box."

    21. Re:Making math illegal. by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Oh. Interesting. So are all data representation changes encryption?

    22. Re:Making math illegal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can anyone tell me: how strong does encryption have to be to make breaking it illegal?

      iirc, Rot-13 (rotating the letters fo the alphabet 13 steps, can be broken by applying the Rot-13 algorithim a second time) was determined valid by the courts,making the bar incredibly low. I don't think anything involving theoretical DRM breaking (IE, cracking the encryption but not making a tool), has ever gone to court.

      As far as I'm concerned, weak DRM should be protected, since its the preferable situation if DRM must be used, its a waste of time and money to have DRM thats more powerful, and creates major hurdles for the consumer to use the media legitimately when something like secuROM, or the DRM chain blu-ray uses, is in place.

      I'd like to see an exception along the lines of the dongle one, for when DRM activation servers go down, or prevent a legitimate consumer from reinstalling the software (IE Spore's 3 activation limit)

      I'd also like to see an exception when right of first sale is at stake.

    23. Re:Making math illegal. by rastoboy29 · · Score: 1

      I've been wondering about this a long time, myself.  Another example: What if I'm just some kind of super genius who can look at an encrypted stream of CSS data and manually decode it in my head?

      Which I'm not even sure I'd WANT to be that smart!

  7. Fair Use by tm2b · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It would be really nice if there were a broad exemption with something about Fair Use of content by media's purchasers. But I wouldn't expect that to come from the FCC but instead a court, since Fair Use arose from Common Law.

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    1. Re:Fair Use by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1

      There's no way such a broad exemption is going to get anywhere. Essentially you're saying "it would be really nice if they'd just open the flood gates for any circumvention at all".

    2. Re:Fair Use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only way you'll ever see Fair Use return permanently and in force is if they ever remove this abomination of a law. This is, of course, what I still hope for, but I doubt we'll ever see it. All hail the might media conglomerates.

    3. Re:Fair Use by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      There is a broad exemption for fair use in the DMCA.

      From 17 USC 1201(c)(1):

      Nothing in this section shall affect rights, remedies, limitations, or defenses to copyright infringement, including fair use, under this title.

      Chapter 12 of copyright law is where the DMCA ended up.

    4. Re:Fair Use by compro01 · · Score: 1

      Sure, you have the fair use rights, but you can't break any sort of content protection/DRM/etc. to exercise those rights.

      Basically, you can copy anything you like under fair use, so long as the producer/distributor made no effort whatsoever to prevent you from doing so.

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    5. Re:Fair Use by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      No, you can break the DRM...that's the point of the paragraph.

      The "nothing in this section shall affect" means that if something in this section says that an action would be illegal, but that you are doing that action to use your fair use rights, then the action is not illegal in that instance.

      The problem is that the DMCA also includes the "trafficking" parts, which prohibit distribution of a device or software with a primary purpose of circumvention. This part of the DMCA is not protected by fair use, because the act of distributing such software or devices might help others exercise their fair use rights, but it isn't exercising the rights of the distributor. This makes it hard to get the tools to allow fair use into the hands of the average user.

    6. Re:Fair Use by compro01 · · Score: 1

      No, you can break the DRM...that's the point of the paragraph.

      The "nothing in this section shall affect" means that if something in this section says that an action would be illegal, but that you are doing that action to use your fair use rights, then the action is not illegal in that instance.

      that's still up for debate, as AFAIK, there has been no definite court ruling regarding the intersection of fair use and the DMCA, though that may be forthcoming in movie studios v. real networks when the case is ruled on sometime next decade.

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    7. Re:Fair Use by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      Like anything else in the law, it can certainly be debated, but the text is fairly clear in this case, and it's fairly standard.

      If the "nothing in this section shall effect" for this section gets thrown out, then most of the rest of recent copyright law will alos be able to change meaning, and the MPAA and RIAA really don't want that to happen. Basically, it means that either way a ruling goes on this section, the MAFIAA loses, and that's why they don't really want a case to go to court.

    8. Re:Fair Use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So in essence, some of us here should band together and create a new DRM scheme, create some media and sell it. Meanwhile, others of us break the DRM specifically for fair use; gets sued by the party of the first part, and finally have a precedent set.

  8. it's good that i'm exempt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not being unfortunate enough to live in such a despotic state

    oh, america, how far you've wandered from freedom

  9. First Sale by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When circumvention is used to transfer content from one device* to another, (or from one owner to another in such a way that the original user no longer has access to the content [such as uploading a file, then deleting the local copy]), in a circumstance which would not normally be permissible due to technical, but not legal, restrictions of the scheme being circumvented.

    *"device" is a poor choice of phrase, as this should also cover use of other operating systems or players on a single physical "device".

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  10. here is a good one by acedotcom · · Score: 3, Interesting

    not to say that i actually support Real Media, but for once they made a useful application for people. so lets add this exception:

    "Software circumvention of protection can be allowed for personal use in the event that no more then one copy is made and the new copy adds a new and at least equivalent layer of protection. This added protection must not be obsolete and must allow for an identical and identifiable copy."

    I dont think that is TOO opened ended, and it would give legit dvd-decryption a boost, as well as make "overcopying" identifiable, at least to a piece of software, a particular DVD or CD, or a user or computer.

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    1. Re:here is a good one by PhilHibbs · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And of course if this software is open source, you can just remove the MovieData->ReEncrypt() call and re-compile.

    2. Re:here is a good one by acedotcom · · Score: 1, Insightful

      well it can be open source, but thats when you start making people accountable, because at that point the are circumventing the "first copy" rule. And thats the key thing, is allowing an exception that allows people to create and examine the code, but not "ruin it for everyone". to be fair, even a solution like this would never satisfy everyone, but at least it would make people with media servers and large collection of media not look like criminals, because that is where most provisions of the DMCA will take people.

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    3. Re:here is a good one by ePhil_One · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Software circumvention of protection can be allowed for personal use in the event that no more then one copy is made and the new copy adds a new and at least equivalent layer of protection. This added protection must not be obsolete and must allow for an identical and identifiable copy."

      Why limit it to 1 copy? This just forces another layer of DRM to manage that one copy.

      1) Circumvention is allowed for transfer to player devices (ipod, home media system, etc.) by individuals

      This would also cover other home media devices and library systems as well, even Linux and open source media players. Exempt the intent (to play).

      2) Circumvention is allowed for creating personal use duplicates for the purpose of use in high risk environments such as automobiles and children's use for personal use.

      This permits the making of backup media for a purpose just about every person familiar with kids can get behind.

      Of course, once you legitimize these uses, the cats out of the bag. But think of the useful products that can be developed...

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    4. Re:here is a good one by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Software circumvention of protection can be allowed for personal use in the event that no more then one copy is made

      So you don't backup your hard drive?

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    5. Re:here is a good one by acedotcom · · Score: 0

      Touche, however that would be a single copy at a time for personal use. In respect to fair use, it allows you to make backups and emergency copies, not create new formats for use on multiple devices. The second you start moving media around to unrestricted and unmonitored devices you end up scaring the MAFIAA. That why CD piracy is so rampant because anybody can do it and WAV can be convert to so many different containers.

      the real point is to satisfy the need to make accessible digital backup, maintaining the "artists vision", for the media and make the copy secure and fixed to a device

      of course, that doesn't mean that you can't ACCESS said copy from multiple devices. And that is where this kind of Exception would shine because it would allow you to backup a full media library and LEGALLY access it over a network for PERSONAL USE.

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    6. Re:here is a good one by acedotcom · · Score: 0

      Copy of a copy

      if you make a backup of your harddrive then that is for utilitarian purpose. It is for emergencies, not for regular use. Your coy of a copy should only be used by you and should only be used once. Are you make bootable backups that you can run on other machines just so you can access your backup movies? That would violate this exception.

      and in all fairness, thats like coming after people for backing up The OS on the computer in that fashion.

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    7. Re:here is a good one by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Do you really, really trust the RIAA to draw a distinction between backups and usable copies?

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    8. Re:here is a good one by funkatron · · Score: 1

      You wouldn't need that call in the first place. It says "equivalent layer of protection", "no protection" would be equivalent to almost all systems in current use.

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  11. Why Only CDs? by EzInKy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    According to exemption 6 on the list only CDs can legally be bypassed. That seems awfully ignorant being that Blu-ray, HD-DVD, and even DVD protections pose far greater threats to computer security. Besides, that restricts an owner from having full access to his hardware should really be ruled unconstitutional as a seizure violation. Sure, it is the media distrubuters implement this, but the DMCA is even worse than Kelo vs. City of New London when it comes to the government making it okay for one person to deprive another of the use of their property.
       

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    1. Re:Why Only CDs? by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      That one dealt with an explicit problem rather than a hypothetical future problem, and they wanted to keep the scope as limited as possible.

      Not saying I agree this is the right way to go about it but I'm pretty certain this was the copyright office's logic.

    2. Re:Why Only CDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this was three years ago, no one probably cared about blu-ray or HD-DVD at the time.

    3. Re:Why Only CDs? by aadvancedGIR · · Score: 1

      Probably because any music disk that has a copy protection cannot be legally called a CD.

  12. [Troll] Exempt Everything. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Dear DMCA staff.

    Just exempt every content which has once been recorded on a technical medium.

    Thanks.

  13. Consumables... namely printer carts by Aphrika · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Am I right in thinking that some printer companies use the DMCA to go after those that make compatible cartridges?

    If that's true, then I think it's daft and an abuse of the act. If it carries on, we'll have electronics small enough that sheets of paper will start being compatible with specific printers...

    1. Re:Consumables... namely printer carts by DeeFresh · · Score: 1

      "If it carries on, we'll have electronics small enough that sheets of paper will start being compatible with specific printers..."

      Actually, that technology is almost here, at least if you believe the press releases. A company called Zink claims that it will soon start selling paper that contains "ink" already in it. So it would only work with specific printers (the printers themselves don't contain any ink, they just apply heat to the paper).

      Here's a writeup on it: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9682333-1.html

  14. It's DMCA Exemption Time! by hobbit · · Score: 0, Offtopic
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    1. Re:It's DMCA Exemption Time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Offtopic? Well duh... most allusive jokes are.

  15. Somehow this was the government's fault: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081008/D93M0E5O0.html

    I love how it was the fault of the Mexican government that this man couldn't stop shoveling burritos into his grill. This is the problem with the view that the government should be everything to everyone. Personal accountability just goes out the window.

  16. Why Only fitness of purpose? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Guess that depends on what you mean by "full access"? One could argue that if it meets it's primary purpose. e.g. Cars go from point A to point B, CD players play music, DVD players play video, etc. Then reasonable access has been provided. The fact that you can use all of the above to cause blunt force damage to others shouldn't be enshrined into law.

    1. Re:Why Only fitness of purpose? by EzInKy · · Score: 4, Insightful


      Guess that depends on what you mean by "full access"? One could argue that if it meets it's primary purpose. e.g. Cars go from point A to point B, CD players play music, DVD players play video, etc. Then reasonable access has been provided. The fact that you can use all of the above to cause blunt force damage to others shouldn't be enshrined into law.

      I can take my car apart piece by piece if I wanted to and reassemble it to my liking without breaking any laws. Why? Because my car is my property. Having "reasonable access" to something is no where even close to being the same as owning something.

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  17. DRM Music where 'Managing Server' is Gone by Luthair · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With a number of well known brands closing their DRM servers (Walmart, Yahoo!), it ought to be legal to remove the DRM from the audio tracks which they sold. (Really, it ought to be mandatory for the company to do it.)

    1. Re:DRM Music where 'Managing Server' is Gone by aurispector · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is the only comment I've read so far with a reasonable idea for submission. Anything that had DRM that depends on an outside source should automatically be fair game if they shut down the servers. Movies and video games included. What happens if Steam goes belly up?

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    2. Re:DRM Music where 'Managing Server' is Gone by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 1

      3. Computer programs protected by dongles that prevent access due to malfunction or damage and which are obsolete. A dongle shall be considered obsolete if it is no longer manufactured or if a replacement or repair is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace.

      This is so similar to the case of DRM'd music tracks where the DRM servers have been turned off that it would probably be easy to get an exception for decrypting those tracks. Interestingly, there isn't a known way to do that once those DRM servers are completely unavailable, as far as I know. Isn't the whole point that the media is encrypted with some key, and the DRM server provides the key each time the user wants to play it? That means there is no legal way to store that decryption key BEFORE the DRM server goes belly up, and no way to get the key afterward.

      What really needs to get added as an exception is an unconditional fair use exception to allow any person to create at least 1 permanent backup copy in a format of their choice (important) for backup in the event of data loss of any DMCA protected media on a storage device that they own. Data loss should cover not only scratching a DVD but also losing your DRM server permanently. The problem really boils down to ownership, of what, and by whom. When I "buy" a DVD, I expect that I will "own" the physical media and be able to watch the movie on it forever. Not until some company decides to stop making DVD players (it'll happen eventually), or the physical medium gets scratched. The implication of owning a copy of a work is that, with appropriate care, it has an indefinite lifespan. Since it's so bleeding obvious that computers are good at making redundant copies for backup purposes, it's insane to pretend that the works on physical mediums shouldn't have redundant backups. After all, there's already partial redundant backups on the DVD in the form of reed solomon codes, so why not just another copy on a hard disk somewhere? Information theory should drive policy in the information age, not the other way around.

    3. Re:DRM Music where 'Managing Server' is Gone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They claim they'll remove all authentication if that happens. (Yes, I know there's no chance of that actually happening).

    4. Re:DRM Music where 'Managing Server' is Gone by dwandy · · Score: 1

      While I agree that this should also be legal, I would like to add a consumer protection act that requires going-concerns to never turn off an authentication server or be 100% liable for the products replacement ... this might have slowed companies like walmart who won't go under, but do turn off their servers.

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    5. Re:DRM Music where 'Managing Server' is Gone by zzatz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The solution to this is simple: if the DRM servers are shut down, all content protected by those servers lose copyright unless replaced.

      Copyright CAN be revoked when misused. It needs to happen in these cases. Record companies need to know that there is something worse than buyers making casual copies for friends, that if the buyer loses the ability to play their purchase, everyone in world will gain the right to make unlimited legal copies.

  18. Not fun. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    It's not fun to stay at the |) /\/\ ( /-\ !

  19. Definitely need a tougher exception for Spore by 91degrees · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's already an exception for computer software which is no longer supported. I think we need an exception for computer software that requires a potentially expensive phone call to activate. Needs a better argument than EA are idiots though. Having to call and explain why you've installed 3 times already doesn't sound such an onerous task until you have to actually do it.

    1. Re:Definitely need a tougher exception for Spore by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      It's non zero for the right to play a game that I own.

      Why should I should change my phone plan just so I can have the right to play the game I own?

  20. Nothing but a fig leaf. by bboxman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This "exemption" is nothing but a fig leaf to cover the draconian (and unconstitutional) DMCA act. I say "Ha!" to any act that forbids me to disseminate instructions on how to read ROT13 (in a "copyrighted" work).

    The exemptions granted last time around are really, mostly, a "nobody cares" exemption. They were granted so that organizations engaged in archival work can cover their assess -- but they really could've performed said exemptions and the probability of a suit would be infintisimly small.

    1. Re:Nothing but a fig leaf. by Metorical · · Score: 1

      Everyone knows ROT26 is more secure and consumes less CPU cycles to decode.

  21. Mod parent down, then vote NDP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where's your platform? Under your sweater?

  22. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  23. A solution by Daryen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have a rather simple solution (that will probably never happen) to this problem.

    Sell me one license to use/play/run whatever you are selling. Then let me use/play/run it wherever I want whenever I want, however I want.

    Give me the right to give or sell my license to someone else, meaning I would no longer be able to use/play/run whatever you are selling anymore.

    Let me worry about format shifts, backing it up, keeping track of my devices, etc.

    1. Re:A solution by lowlymarine · · Score: 1

      Wait, you want your legally protected rights of first sale and fair use?! Thought...err, Copyright police, arrest him!

    2. Re:A solution by Pervaricator+General · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Outlawing the "non-transferable" portion of digital licenses is a great way out of this.

    3. Re:A solution by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 1

      I have a much better idea. Sell a copy, not a license. This idea that when you buy a physical object you're really just buying a license is insane and needs to die.

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  24. Tougher exception for all Digital Media by QuestorTapes · · Score: 2, Interesting

    > There's already an exception for computer software which is no longer supported.
    > I think we need an exception for computer software that requires a potentially expensive phone call to activate.
    > Needs a better argument than EA are idiots though. Having to call and explain why you've
    > installed 3 times already doesn't sound such an onerous task until you have to actually do it.

    Make it a bit broader. In any case where the manufacturer/activator fails to provide reasonable access to activation. Then we can start to define reasonable terms:

    - local or toll-free activation number
    - phones answered promptly at all hours
    - activation phones properly staffed with people trained to resolve activation issues, not just read a script
    - open reasonable hours; if the software is US only, minimum of say, 8 AM EST to 10 PM PST M-Sat. If worldwide, 24/7/365.
    - permanent unlock option available if the support must be discontinued
    - burden on manufacturer to unlock permanently if they fail to resolve recurring issues for a customer in a reasonably period of time.
    - legally defined minimum definitions of reasonable time. Some already exist for other regulated industries; these might be used as a guideline.

    And this should be extended to all "Digital Media."

  25. Not going to get much this time around by edremy · · Score: 1
    While the last round clearly gave some neeeded exemptions, given the impending start of CASE NIGHTMARE GREEN there's very little chance that the restrictions will be lifted this time. Without serious restrictions on the ability to transfer Dho-Na geometry information between devices the Feds are screwed since we don't have the infrastructure to handle something like the Brit's SCORPION STARE conversion of their traffic cams.

    Sorry folks, we're going to have to suck it up for a few years until we can make sure the Great Old Ones don't eat our brains.

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  26. someone submit this for me: by DragonTHC · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Computer programs, video games, and multimedia content in digital format which, in order to operate in the desired manner, require activation to Internet servers which no longer function or are decommissioned. An Internet activation server shall be considered not functioning after one month of downtime.

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  27. I'll do one better by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    Public trade in circumvention devices or software are allowed for the personal, non-redistributable use of the purchaser of a consumer product including, but not limited to, format shifting, provided that the reproduction already falls under the fair use provisions of the DMCA.

    It doesn't change the letter of the DMCA exemptions, except to make the exemptions available to all citizens - not just those who can crack and code.

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    1. Re:I'll do one better by acedotcom · · Score: 0

      You don't need an exception for that whole "public trade' thing. The DMCA censors free speech in that aspect. The problem the "public" part. I think one should be able to speak as much code as they want...so long as everyone understands it. If you want to do that, then you should (in all fairness) allow DMCA regulators access to your source code.

      it comes down to the fact that you can't have Falstaff, and have him thin.

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    2. Re:I'll do one better by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      No, that requires you have a friend who will help you. Sure, it means OSS can be used, but many (most?) people would rather spend the money and get a commercial piece of software where they can send tech support questions. Forums don't count. Of course, I'm thinking specifically of Slysoft here, which does a pretty good job of keeping up with the various methods - something that DVDdecrypter can no longer do.

      Fix the public trade problem and then individuals can ignore the rest of the law - fair use is both available and practical.

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  28. more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    7. no more lexar's

    8. no more blizzard

    please codify these with more finesse

  29. A narrow example of fair use, maybe? by msouth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    (Sorry if this is redundant, I haven't had time to read submissions yet. I'm evil! Downmod me!)

    Something like "Any material which has been legitimately purchased, where the purpose is to view/hear/otherwise use said material."

    Another one:

    Copying for personal backup, not to be redistributed. If they redistribute the copy, or even just carelessly allow an unencrypted version of something previously encrypted to go into the wild, they would be exposed to the full consequences of the DMCA, say.

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  30. My exemption by nsheppar · · Score: 1

    Any work, which I lawfully own, when circumvention is accomplished for the purpose of exercising me fair use rights.

    They'll take that one, right?

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    1. Re:My exemption by corsec67 · · Score: 1

      You already have that one.

      What is needed is "distribution of software for circumvention of encryption of a copyrighted file for fair use shall be legal" exemption.

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  31. Exempt Everything by OutSourcingIsTreason · · Score: 1

    Freedom of speech should only be taken away when it's a matter of life and death, like shouting "Fire!" in a crouded theater, or giving away national security secrets. Speech that educates people on how to break DRM doesn't fall into that category, and should be protected.

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    1. Re:Exempt Everything by Joe+U · · Score: 1

      Speech that educates people on how to break DRM doesn't fall into that category, and should be protected.

      But...you might hurt their PROFITS! It's their profits, their god given right to make more money!

      Seriously, it says 'Congress shall make no law ' in the first amendment, I'll take that to mean 'Congress shall make no law' but I might be naive when it comes to something that is pretty much explicit.

  32. Hardware lock in / vendor lock in needs Exemption by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    Hardware lock in / vendor lock in needs a exemption as well so we can.

    *Not be locked to useing there INK / replacement parts with there hardware.

    *Be able to install software like mac os x on any pc YES YOU STILL HAVE TO BUY IT AT THE STORE to be able to do that.

    *Be able to jailbreak hardware to run open / 3rd party software on your OWN xbox, PS3, Cell phone, Iphone, PSP, DS, WII , and more.

    *Region locks need to go

    *Be able to use 3rd party on line severs with payed for games.

    and more

  33. Preserve fair use by dillon_rinker · · Score: 1

    Circumvention should be permitted for purposes of fair use.

    This will never fly, of course, since one example of fair use is making backup copies, which is functional indistinguishable from making "backup copies."

  34. Realmedia aren't having copyright problems by Nick+Ives · · Score: 1

    The problem with the Real Media DVD copying box was that the DVDCCA thinks it violates the license that RM signed. Regardless of the legal status of any such boxes, companies that have signed license agreements with the DVDCCA can't produce them.

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  35. Copying for the purpose of sharing for free on P2P by rusl · · Score: 1

    Copying for the purpose of sharing for free on P2P networks should be exempted because it's the polite thing to do and enriches our public culture. Also, it's going to happen anyway: any law that goes against the general consensus is unlawful in a democracy - we ought to make this a more law abiding society by updating the law! No more special protection for those who would rather steal from the commons than share with it! Copy copiously!

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  36. Removal of Rights by halcyon1234 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How about an exemption along the lines of:

    Any work by a copyright holder who has knowingly filed a false DMCA takedown notice.

    In other words: Abuse the bill, it stops protecting you. Sure, you'd need to prove the douche did their douchy act with full douchable knowledge, but it'll be pretty hard for someone to claim 'I didn't know better' after the first time they're caught doing it.

    It'd be nice if that exemption could extend to the holder's entire library of IP...

  37. Where do you post your comments? by shaitand · · Score: 1

    The links in the summary point to a pdf file and a third party site. Where is the site where you submit your comments to the copyright office?

  38. How about by sjames · · Score: 1

    This should be an easy one. In any case where you've purchased media and the vendor shuts down the DRM servers needed to install or play it or otherwise alters the terms of use after sale.

    Less of a slam-dunk but fair: Whenever the cost to replace damaged media (including a lost digital file) exceeds the reasonable cost to manufacture that media and ship it. This should be presumed to be the case when the usual recourse to replace damaged media is to re-buy. Also presumed true when the 'damage' is reaching a re-installation limit.

    If the vendor insists that a version update be part of repair or replacement of the media.

    This one will never fly, but SHOULD: If the vendor's normal communication channels (helpline, etc) cannot give you a consistent answer on how many licenses and of what type you will need for a specific scenario.

    When the copyrighted 'work' is nothing more than a token to enable use of the DMCA to protect non-copyrightable functionality. For example, to prevent a printer from accept a reloaded or 3rd party ink/toner refill. As far as I know, the act of printing even on a specific device is well outside of the scope of copyright. A token string that says accept this cartridge is not reasonably a 'work'

    My personal department of evil thoughts would claim that if a violation of DMCA can be claimed, then the protection wasn't effective in the first place, so DMCA doesn't apply at all. But I have no delusions that that would pass!

  39. What I would like to see by jonwil · · Score: 1

    Make it legal to circumvent the DMCA if you have permission from the copyright holder of the work to make or use a copy. This means that, for example, it would be legal to circumvent the protection on proprietary digital cameras (those ones that you have to bring back to the shop to get the photos out of for example), proprietary formats (camera RAW files etc), mobile phones (where the phone provider has locked down picture transfer) or other locked down technologies in order to get the content you created (and therefore hold the copyright to) off the device. It would also mean that it would be legal to circumvent the protection on a device containing free software (Linux for example) in order to replace the free parts of the software (since you have permission from the copyright holder to make a copy of the software that is already on the device and permission to use a new copy of the software).

  40. I've got one. by davolfman · · Score: 1

    How about: "None of the measures mentioned here shall be legally binding in a manner where they are used to disrupt legitimate public discourse."

  41. RE: Concrete Jungle by loimprevisto · · Score: 1

    You are in violation of Section Three of the Official Secrets Act. Slashdot does not have GAME ANDES REDSHIFT clearance.  You'll be answering to the auditors for this one.

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  42. Re:The other way around by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

    More or Less fundamentally, depending on how you look at it: Copyright exists to allow authors a monopoly for a LIMITED TIME. Because DRM systems will exist (whether or not they have included measures to somehow disable themselves) after that "LIMITED" time, any work which is "protected" by DRM should not be protected by any copyright law (as it never allows entrance into public domain)

    Of course, the same applies to all closed-source software- if you don't release source code, and therefor do not give works a chance to ever enter the public domain in a reasonable fashion, your compiled programs should not be protected.

    You can't get a patent on an invention without telling everybody how it works, you shouldn't automatically get "copyright" on something when you have gone out of your way to make sure people cannot usefully copy it once the copyright expires.

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