David Axmark Resigns From Sun

An anonymous reader writes "From Kay Arno's blog we see that David Axmark, MySQL's Co-Founder, has resigned. This comes on top of the maybe, maybe not, resignation of Monty. We saw earlier this year that Brian Aker, the Director of Architecture, has forked the server to create a web-focused database from MySQL called Drizzle. The MySQL server has been 'RC' now for a year with hundreds of bugs still listed as being active in the 5.1 version. What is going on with MySQL?"

Comments

That's the power of the open source license.

[aqui]

It allows for disagreements to be resolved by disagreeing, even when there are corporations with lots of lawyers involved.

You can still fork it. No easy corporate lock down is possible.

Re:That's the power of the open source license.

[vandan]

Theoretically, yes you can fork the code. But there are broader issues than the legal ability to fork.

This has put a huge question-mark over MySQL's long-term viability. For a fork to be viable, you need a critical mass of developers. But we've seen 2 key ( founding ) developers leave, and Oracle buy InnoDB.

If Sun bought MySQL to further the project, then where is the evidence that this is happening?

If Oracle bought InnoDB to further the project, then where is the evidence that this is happening?

Of course you could argue that neither company is obliged to do anything. But alternatively you could argue that both companies have behaved in an explicitly anti-competitive way. This is itself is of course no surprise to anyone other than the US justice department.

Re:That's the power of the open source license.

[SiggyTheViking]

Well, there is this.

Re:How long...

[Forty Two Tenfold]

About 4.5 billion years?

Drizzle?

[Joe U]

Has anyone here used Drizzle?

I'm about to start a new web project and I get to choose the DB. I'm concerned over the lack of stored procedures though. My last big project used SP's for everything and honestly, while initial coding was a pain, in the long run it was a huge benifit.

I need a lean and mean webDB, so, if not Drizzle, does anyone have other recommendations?

Re:Drizzle?

[krow]

Hi!

We are still working on the first version of Drizzle. While folks are using it, I don't really recommend it at this point. When we feel like it is ready for adoption we will publicly start recommending it.

Cheers,
      -Brian

Re:How long...

[russlar]

About 4.5 billion years?

Well played, sir. Well played.

MySQL greetings

[martenmickos]

Thanks slashdotters for being passionate about all topics FOSS and MySQL!

David's departure is in all ways amicable, and he will continue to be an ambassador for MySQL and for free and open source software in general. For some time already, David was working only part-time for MySQL. After about 25 years of working on MySQL and the projects that preceded MySQL, he very much deserves do whatever he pleases to.

Marten
SVP Database Group at Sun
(previously CEO of MySQL AB)

Re:MySQL greetings

[martenmickos]

I think if you ask people who know me, they will say that I stand for transparency and truthfulness.

If the departure had not been amicable, I guess I would not have commented on it at all, or I would have focused my commentary on whatever other positive aspect I could find.

But the best may be to ask David directly. I don't want to publish his email address here, but it is not difficult to guess. Most early employees of MySQL AB, like myself, use firstname at mysql dot com.

Marten

P.S. Generally I am somewhat perplexed by the attention this topic is getting. The beauty of open source is that you can be actively contributing and participating in your favourite project whether you are employed by a certain company or not. So what's the big deal about David choosing not to be employed? He is not abandoning MySQL. With the enormous payout from the acquisition, the founders can now allow themselves to pursue whatever interests and daily routines they like. Good for them, and I think we should all just be happy that open source can provide not just software freedom but also financial freedom. Just my 2c.

Re:MySQL greetings

[krow]

If you look around there are couple of articles that quote David on why he is leaving. It is perfectly amicable, he just dislikes paperwork and would prefer to not deal with it.

      -Brian

Re:MySQL sucks

[mooreti1]

MySQL sucks

And your post, like my response, is pointless.

Re:Huh ...

[OldManAndTheC]

So, he gets the ax because somebody missed the mark.

Never fear, this is a minor setback for him. I hear he's already writing a book about what he will do in the next act of his career.

Title: "My Sequel"

Re:MySQL sucks

[TheLink]

"and the utility of a RDBMS is not defined by database sizes it can handle"

Actually there is some relevance.

If you needed a database gigabytes in size a few _years_ ago, MySQL would have been a really bad choice (it still is crap, just less so IMO).

For MyISAM:
You would have to configure it to get tables bigger than the default 4GB limit (there's a number of row limit and table size limit). Hope you don't make the new setting too small so you're still working in the place when those run out too ;).

For Innodb:
Before the single file per table, if you're moving about gigabytes of stuff, you end up with one huge multigigabyte innodb table.

For both:
Adding an index was the same as "alter table" and involved making a copy of the table.

So let's say you have a 40GB table and 40GB of space free. No index add for you :).
Keep in mind if you have plenty of space free making a copy of a 40GB table does take time.

BTW concurrent inserts to an innodb table with an auto increment field were slow till only recently (well allegedly they've fixed that).

Re:MySQL sucks

[theantix]

"How about the "bad connection" issue where the database server due to no reason obvious to the developer will count to ten and then just refuse new connections? How about when MySQL trips over itself and locks it's own tempfile? How about the admin gui that pretends to let you change parameters but really doesn't?"

I've developed, debugged, administered, and administered MySQL databases for nearly a decade now, and I have never seen any of those issues you complain about.

"How about MySQLs abmyssal speed once it has to deal with larger tables?"

The InnoDB storage engine uses clustered indexes and is actually pretty good with large tables. Combine that with the partitioned table support in MySQL 5.1 and large tables are quite manageable. I have one OLTP application with well over 300M rows, and the server runs fine even though it is on commodity hardware.

"but there is no use in pretending like there aren't any problems ..."

Indeed, but they weren't what you mentioned here. I am looking for better CPU utilization on multicore systems, semi-synchronous replication, parallelized replication, better foreign key performance, and better join algorithms. Many of these features are planned of course but I want them now.

David Axmark

[Anonymous Coward]

Lots of press about a not to large event. I have been working less with MySQL over the past several years (as the company has grown). And when we got acquired we got to big for me (I like to know everyone in a company).

A huge part of my work have been spreading FreeSoftware/OpenSource and I will continue to do that. And tell about the MySQL story many times more hoping to inspire others to try to start FLOSS businesses.

And I hope to meet many of all the people who made MySQL such a sucess many times over the coming years. /David (who posts so seldom he does not remember his slash login/password..)