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Sex Offender E-Mail Registry Signed Into Law

As noted in Wired yesterday, tragedy in chaos writes, "Senator and Presidential-hopeful John McCain has managed to get a new bill signed into law, in the hope of ridding online social networks of the sexual predation of children. The 'Keeping the Internet Devoid of Sexual Predators Act of 2008,' as it is called, calls for a database to be made in which all registered sexual offenders must also register their e-mail addresses so that MySpace, Facebook, etc. can run current and hopeful users through it, and eliminate access to the offenders. Though a noble goal, this is not very well thought out in methodology. They are asking known criminals to be honest, and are expecting them not to utilize any of the free and readily available e-mail services that exist so as to circumvent the system. There is also a potential for the crafty sex offender to possibly cause false positives by just registering an address that does not belong to them, thereby drawing in innocent bystanders."

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  1. not really expecting criminals to be honest by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    IANAL, but the idea with these kind of laws is usually to create a lesser charge that can be used as leverage to prevent a greater crime for occurring. In this case, a sex offender can be taken offline for having their email address on a kid's forum, without having to wait for them to start a relationship with a minor. It's important to be very cautious about these kinds of laws, but in this case, I have to cautiously agree.

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  2. Re:flaws maybe by X0563511 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One would also hope that there was a way to reliably be removed from said list, by proving who you are with said address.

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  3. Re:Yes this makes perfect sense by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't know. I thought justice was more than punishment and retribution and revenge and vengeance. ...but of course, we'd have a lot more resources without the war on drugs.

    The point I'm trying to make is that jail is the stated place for dangerous people, right? Where they can be kept, supervised, and (in theory) made into a productive member of society? They were held, judged unfit to be free with the rest of us, and um... released before they were deemed safe to the population?

    I'm just a stickler for definitions and people holding true to doing what they say. If jail is for dangerous people, then keep dangerous people in jail. If jail is for rehabilitation, then people to be released from jail should meet whatever criteria is set and be considered free thereafter.

  4. The point is... by C10H14N2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    To create an ever expanding list of things that are not criminal unless you've already committed a crime.

    So, you're out from something that got you on the sex offender list. You've served five years and have no inclination toward recidivism. You accidentally send an email to your mom from a friend's account extolling the virtues of Rhubarb and suddenly you're hit with twenty-years' backup time, plus a new charge adding an additional ten years for using an unregistered email address.

    A friend of mine didn't get the notice a court fee didn't post and his license was suspended. So, driving four miles per hour under the limit, he got stopped and they informed him of the suspension. Welcome to fifteen years backup plus another one... for a paperwork mistake.

    These laws aren't meant to keep people who truly are dangerous off the streets. They're designed to hold a de facto life sentence over anyone convicted of any crime and ensure that Corrections Corp. of America experiences perpetual "market expansion."

  5. Historical Machiavelli a bit different by zooblethorpe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The real irony in many ways is that Niccolò Macchiavelli was actually very much a republican (as in, one who favors the republic as a form of governance :), but one who understood that the republic can falter. The New Yorker posted an interesting (and long) look at his life last month, which is worth the read for anyone interested. Machiavelli's possibly most well-known work, Il Principe , can indeed come across as archetypically "machiavellian" (as we use the term today), but reading it more closely brings to light advice to would-be rulers that they cannot be callous, ruthless bastards and expect to hold onto their jobs for very long. Some choice quotes, courtesy the linked article:

    A prince must have the people on his side, otherwise he will not have support in adverse times.

    A prince need not worry unduly about conspiracies when the people are well disposed toward him. But if they are his enemies and hate him, he must fear everything and everybody.

    The best fortress for the prince is to be loved by his people.

    Ultimately, the current strategy in the US of criminalizing broad swaths of otherwise harmless behaviour and locking up everyone who disagrees with the movers and shakers is pretty far from Machiavelli's advice to would-be rulers, given the mounting discontent this generates. Machiavelli actually comes across a bit as an old-school Taoist (in terms of Lao-zi, not Zhuang-zi) -- keep the people fat, happy, and dumb, and they will be easy to rule. Pissing them off and depriving them of common liberties left and right just isn't a smart move.

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  6. Re:Yes this makes perfect sense by westlake · · Score: 3, Interesting
    A very salient point: If they're still a danger to society at large, why the hell are they not behind bars?
    Answer: Because without a group of people to vilify there is no easy way to sway the mindset of the public at large

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    Have you ever taken a look at your county's registry of sex offenders?

    It tends to strip away any illusions you might have about how these men came to make the list.

    It wasn't for pissing in the park:

    From upstate New York:

    Victims: Females Ages 1, 4, 7, and 10
    Attempted sexual intercourse
    MoreThanOnce Deviate Sexual Intercourse
    MoreThanOnce Sexual Contact
    MoreThanOnce Promoting/Possessing Sexual Performance by a Child
    Force used: Threat
    Computer used: Yes
    Pornography involved: Yes

  7. My, how puritanical and irrational that entry is. by plasmacutter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Let's examine the last part of this shall we?

    Force used: Threat
    Computer used: Yes
    Pornography involved: Yes

    What is so special about computers and pornography?

    How about we also include other entries to vilify baselessly through connection with child abuse.

    Public roads used: yes

    Oh you use the interstate? *whisper*it's probably one of those perverts, you know the ones, get steph up to her room*whisper*

    Late Model Automobile used: yes
    Briefcase used: Yes
    Designer Suit used: yes
    Perscription eyeglasses used: yes

    Now instead of vilifying computer geeks, suddenly every corporate executive, doctor, and lawyer will be eyed as a potential threat to the innocence of your child.

    For another, quite realistic example:
    Cross used: Yes
    Collar used: Yes
    Communion wafers used: Yes

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