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Every Email In UK To Be Monitored

ericcantona writes "The Communications Data Bill (2008) will lead to the creation of a single, centralized database containing records of all e-mails sent, websites visited and mobile phones used by UK citizens. In a carnivore-on-steroids programme, as all vestiges of communication privacy are stripped away, The BBC reports that Home Secretary Jacqui Smith says this is a 'necessity.'"

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  1. That's it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm out of here!

    Fuck the UK!

    1. Re:That's it by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

      On a side note, to what degree do your elected representatives represent you personally?

      Well, given that I live in California, for my senator anyway, I am represented as 1 out of about 18 million. How much representation do you expect a single citizen to get?

      There are a few ways to power, one is by paying money to your representative, which is good if you have money, but annoys people who don't have money.

      Another way is to convince other people to agree with you. This is a much stronger power, because as a democracy, the government tends to follow the will of the people.

      A good example of this in action is the FCC: do you want to know why they act so strongly against nudity? Because a small minority of people with very strong opinions engage in constant letter writing campaigns to our government, and to the FCC to try to keep pornography off the air.

      If you have neither money nor the capability to inspire people, then enjoy your 1 in 18 million representation.

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    2. Re:That's it by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And you think they give a flying FUCK what you think?

      Yeap. I think they give about a one in 200 million of a flying fuck what I think. Which isn't much. But it is something. And if enough of us get together, he will start caring, because if he doesn't, he will get voted out in favor of someone who at least acts like they care.

      I mean, this is how it works, it's a democracy. Why do you think the two parties are so similar? It's because both of them are trying to appeal to as many people as possible. When enough people want something, it will happen, one way or another.

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    3. Re:That's it by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nah, those are all examples of things about which the only consensus is that something's wrong. No one likes how any of those things are run, which is why the politicians make so much noise about them. On the other hand, there is no clear agreement on how to change them. When there is a clear enough agreement on what the solution to any of those problems is, then politicians will be falling over themselves to implement that solution.

      Democracy is inefficient, but it is that way by design, to keep bad people from getting too much power.

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  2. In other news by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Snail mail no longer the subject of jokes.

  3. Unbelievable by ip_freely_2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I thought the cameras were bad enough, but this goes far, far beyond anything remotely reasonable. If they do this, they should have no problem listening to every phone call, opening up every piece of mail and package. In fact, they should just put microphones in every house, restaurant, bus and automobile.

    Next year, they'll want to plant RFID into every person.

    Is the UK government and authorities completely without morales? Or are they this > close to being destroyed by some threat? Or are they incompetent? Or all of the above?

    1. Re:Unbelievable by WindowlessView · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The USA has 300 million people (5 times the UK population), which changes the dynamics somewhat.

      It doesn't seem to me it changes the dynamics at all. Merely the scale.

      If it can be done in China it can certainly be done in the US.

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  4. Who can view this database? by demiurge11 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If this database were publicly accessible, and could be used by anyone to monitor the communications of anyone (like in David Brin's The Transparent Society) then I might not object to this sort of system. It could just as easily be used by the people to find government corruption as it could be used by the government to prosecute individuals.

    However, if the database could be used only by a few to monitor anyone, then this is clearly incompatible with the concept of a free country.

  5. Movie quote. by B5_geek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "People should not be afraid of their government, instead a government should be afraid of its people."

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  6. Re:Police state bullshit. by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's dumb as a box of hair. Better to say:

    Hey, dude. You looked the BOMB when I saw you at the STATION. Hope you look the BOMB when I see you at 11:17am at King Cross. Don't forget to bring your BOMB the Bass CD. Then OSAMA will pick us up and GUN the engine of his car and take us through LONDON as we BOMB along the M25.

    I'm more concerned about how large the scope of this will be. Once again the here and now is bad enough, but what about in the future?

  7. Look for the key words... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Orwellian down to the doublespeak:

    There are no plans for an enormous database which will contain the content of your emails, the texts that you send or the chats you have on the phone or online.

    Translation: We might build one now, we might build one later. We might already be building one, just without a plan.

    See? No lies, just no plans!

    Nor are we going to give local authorities the power to trawl through such a database in the interest of investigating lower level criminality under the spurious cover of counter terrorist legislation.

    In other words: There's going to be a database, but only available to those sufficiently high up in the government. Not to local authorities. What a relief!

    If you think I'm being too harsh, read again. If there's not going to be such a database, why would she go on to talk about who should have or not have access to such a database?

    Some of the commentary on the speech is at least as disturbing as the speech itself:

    The raw idea of simply handing over all this information to any government, however benign, and sticking it in an electronic warehouse is an awful idea if there are not very strict controls about it.

    How'd you fall this far, Britain?

    So, to translate: It's actually a fine idea, so long as there are sufficiently strict controls. I wonder who gets to decide how strict those controls should be.

    And who controls the controllers, so to speak?

    More of the same:

    The government must present convincing justification for such an exponential increase in the powers of the state.

    Again: A giant database of every email ever sent, from now till forever, in Britain, is alright so long as there's sufficient justification.

    At least someone has the balls to take a stand:

    These proposals are incompatible with a free country and a free people.

    Amen.

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  8. Bankrupt them ! Problem solved. by assemblerex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Get together a group of 500 similarly frustrated people.
    Have each person send everyone on the list a 1GB non-compressible, encrypted message titled "Iraq Iran Afghanistan Islam and North Korea"
    This would generate 250TB of data per day that they would need to store.
    In a month this would create more than 7 Petabytes of data to warehouse,
    which is physically impossible with current technology.
    So in short, 500 determined people could bring this system to it's knees in less than a month.

  9. Re:Forcible decryption by Fred+Ferrigno · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is no "fifth amendment" in the UK.

    Which happens to be why there is one in the US.

  10. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is fucking amazing.

    Not only does the UK have the most extensive network of CCTV surveillance of its citizens of any country in the world, now every single electronic means of communication will be monitored, intercepted and stored for an in-definite period, with access granted to an unspecified range of bureaucrats and snoops.

    WTF for? What evidence is there that this kind of massive untargetted domestic spy effort - against the 99.999% of the population who never commit ANY crimes - can be justified?

    It's like fining everyone who uses the freeway just because one or two people might be speeding, or jailing everyone just because one or two people might be murderers.

    The UK has NO basis to ever criticize China or any other 3rd world despot or totalitarian state ever again for any abuse of press freedom or censorship or human rights, since now they set the benchmark for over-the-top Govt abuse of power.

    As a businessman, I also don't like the idea that if I travel to the UK all my commercial-in-confidence business communications will be recorded by the UK Govt and possibly used to benefit UK companies who may be my competitors. Grrr.

  11. Re:PGP... by WDot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem with encryption is that you know it's encrypted. If suddenly all messages sent are garbled groups of characters, the government will think something's up and may outlaw private encryption (government encryption is, of course, still okay). The best code is the one that no one is aware of.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography

    This may be the future. I imagine a mix of clever computer algorithms and understood slang will be necessary to secure messages: Look and act like a dumb slob, all the while getting your message across.

  12. Re:Oblig. Orwell by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Somehow, I doubt even Orwell conceived of a situation where $enemy =~ /abstractnoun/, though.

    On the subject of spin, I love this quote quote from Jacqui Smith (from TFA):

    What we will be proposing will be options which follow the key principles which govern all our work in this area - the principles of proportionality and necessity.

    I've got a quote for her, too, from a Prime Minister of days gone by, William Pitt:

    Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.

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  13. Re:Oblig. Orwell by BurtCrep · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, history has shown us that occasional revolutions and civil wars are also necessities to social balance. After a few centuries of relative freedom, we seem to be going back toward Big Power these days. In a few more centuries (or decades in this era of disposable empires), the necessities of the ruling class will be counterbalanced by others. Let's just hope that the 21st century will allow us to do it cleanly this time...