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Record Label Infringes Own Copyright, Site Pulled

AnonCow sends in a peculiar story from TorrentFreak, which describes the plight of a free-download music site that has been summarily evicted from the Internet for violating its own copyright. The problem seems to revolve around the host's insistence that proof of copyright be snail-mailed to them. Kind of difficult when your copyright takes the form of a Creative Commons license that cannot be verified unless its site is up. "The website of an Internet-based record label which offers completely free music downloads has been taken down by its host for copyright infringement, even though it only offers its own music. Quote Unquote Records calls itself 'The First Ever Donation Based Record Label,' but is currently homeless after its host pulled the plug."

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  1. There are plenty of hosts out there by kcbanner · · Score: 4, Informative

    I mean, the market for hosting is so huge they shouldn't have a problem finding a company that actual understands CC and won't pull their site right away. I hope they do.

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    1. Re:There are plenty of hosts out there by Edgester · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you RTFA, then you would know that the ISP is denying him access to his data, and he has no other copies because his local hard drive died. Summary: Murphy struck and his ISP is holding the only copy of his data hostage until he can prove that he owns the copyright on the files.

      One could argue that his local hard drive was the backup to his ISP and vice versa. I have a co-worker who says you should always keep three copies of important data in different places. This lends weight to the three copies idea.

  2. The copyright notice by symbolset · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's right here

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  3. Re:Not exactly copyright's fault... by NormalVisual · · Score: 5, Informative

    And in case anyone was wondering, it looks like their host is IX Web Hosting.

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  4. Re:Well. by Restil · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, most hosting providers actually expect their customers to use a significant amount of the bandwidth they provide, and enforce quotas when reached. If a customer used 100% of their allocated bandwidth they would at most be cut off for the duration of their payment period, or given the option to purchase additional bandwidth. This isn't like a cable company offering "unlimited" bandwidth and retroactively redefining the meaning of unlimited.

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  5. Re:Not exactly copyright's fault... by Dachannien · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hilarious! A website I co-maintain switched away from IX just last week, because when they last recompiled PHP, they set the register_globals setting to "on", thus allowing our site (and who knows how many others) to get hacked. When we asked them about it, they claimed that the default setting in PHP 4 and 5 is "on", which isn't true (the default has been "off" since 4.2.0, in 2002, and the setting is being done away with altogether in PHP 6).

    They have horrible service, with response time to service tickets measured in days. We've had numerous issues with the database servers being pegged as they've expanded their customer base without upgrading their servers. You can't restore from backups without contacting customer service. Sure, it's cheap, but as they say, you get what you pay for.

    The incident mentioned by the OP is apparently the frosting on the cake.

  6. Quote Unquote are actually really good! by Stormx2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The website was pretty well made, and they had Bomb The Music Industry! signed. Silly name aside, they are a really marvelous blend of punk, twee, and brass, something I could normally never appreciate

    They gave away stencils and cds at shows for free, so that fans could make their own t-shirts. They've got a brilliant DIY ethic going on, and they became something of an underground hit without even properly releasing a CD.

    So I don't know who tagged this "andnothingofvaluewaslost", but you don't know what you're talking about.

    It's very easy to complain about how the RIAA does things, but you need to think up solutions, as well as identifying problems, or you're just being annoying. Quote Unquote make the perfectly valid point that some artists aren't interested in wealth, and can get by on donations alone. Obviously it suits some bands better than others, but it's _a_ solution, not the only solution

  7. Re:And people say by leamanc · · Score: 4, Informative

    I hear what you're saying...it's baffling that anyone could defend current US copyright law. But in this case, isn't the problem with a very uninformed web hosting provider taking the wrong action? There was not a DMCA notice issued, but rather the host just decided to pull the site because they (wrongly) assumed it was copyright violations. The RIAA was not behind this, as the content was not even in their reach.

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  8. Re:Not exactly copyright's fault... by Matt_R · · Score: 4, Informative

    If we can /. them from a link in a comment, they shouldn't be used by anyone to host pretty much anything.

    While trying to retrieve the URL:

    http://www.ixwebhosting.com/

    The following error was encountered:

    * Connection to 98.130.254.114 Failed

    The system returned:

    (111) Connection refused

    You were saying?

  9. IX Webhost Rep by lysergic.acid · · Score: 4, Informative

    here's a partial transcript from Live Chat with an IX Webhost Rep (be warned. there's a lot of incoherent rambling because the customer service rep is from Ukraine, and i think there was a slight communications barrier):

    you: ok, i just have one more question
    Evgen Voznyak: Sure please go on
    you: if we hosted our music on our site
    you: would you shut us down like you did Quote Unquote Records?
    Evgen Voznyak: We could suspend your account by Copyrights for your music if it is illegal
    you: but we own the copyrights to our music
    Evgen Voznyak: In this case everything is fine
    you: then why was Quote Unquote shut down?
    you: they held the copyrights to the music they put up
    you: or did someone file a complaint against their site?
    Evgen Voznyak: Please read about Our Terms of Service http://www.ixwebhosting.com/index.php/v2/pages.tos
    you: ok, i just read the section about IP and copyright
    you: but i still have qustions about how the Quate Unquote Records site came to be shut down
    you: are you allowed to discuss the details with me?
    Evgen Voznyak: Yes I am allowed
    you: ok
    Evgen Voznyak: Let me explain
    Evgen Voznyak: If we found some warez on Illegal information which is phishing material, we automatically suspend your account with request delete your content, also adult content is not allowed.
    you: is that what you found on their site?
    Evgen Voznyak: We search such content on our customers sites
    you: and what did you find on Quote Unquote Records's site?
    Evgen Voznyak: If we found that your domain getting many querries for users and it has been overloaded we suspend account
    you: you're not telling me anything about the Quote Unqoute site
    Evgen Voznyak: Please clarify what do you mean about Quote Unqoute
    you: ok, there was this new article recently about your company
    you: basically it talks about an Independent Record Label (like the one i work at) being shut down by you guys for "copyright violations"
    you: but the violations your company accused them of were for songs that they held the copyrights to
    you: so you basically shut down their site for posting their own songs up
    you: you can read the news article here: http://torrentfreak.com/record-label-infringes-own-copyright-site-pulled-081019/
    you: i don't want the same thing to happen to our website because we post our own copyrighted music and music videos on our site too.
    Evgen Voznyak: If you have your own copyright this will not happens with you
    you: but that's exactly what happened to Quote Unquote Records
    you: i just want to know how you determined that they were violating copyright laws
    Evgen Voznyak: I will give you example mail which you need to write for us
    Evgen Voznyak: Thank you for notifying us of a client who may be infringing on copyright materials. As we would like to work with you to resolve this issue, there may be several supporting documents we need in order to continue. All information must be received via Federal Postal mail and delivered to the following address:
    Evgen Voznyak: Company Name
    Evgen Voznyak: PO BOX 1599
    Evgen Voznyak: Hopkinsville,KY 42241
    Evgen Voznyak: Please send a copy of the registered copyrights from the USPTO or other governing legal entities for the concerned material. If the text or images are located in a certain area of our client's website, please let us know where we can find the resource as this will assist us in a quicker resolution.
    you: so who notified you that Quote Unquote was infringing on copyright materials?
    you: did they include proof that they held the copyright to the materials being infringed?
    you: did you investigate whether the claims were true?
    you: and was their a court ordered injunction that required you to shut down their site?
    you: or did you just shut down the site without verifying whether any law