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Dead Goldfish Offered The Vote In Illinois

Election officials in northern Chicago want to know why voter registration material was sent to Princess, a dead goldfish. "I am just stunned at the level of people compromising the integrity of the voting process," said Lake County Clerk Willard Helander, a Republican, who said she has spotted problems with nearly 1,000 voter registrations this year. Beth Nudelman, who owned Princess, said the fish may have got on a mailing list because the family once filled in her name when they got a second phone line for a computer. When will we recognize a goldfish's right to vote?

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  1. Registration Materials by MyLongNickName · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oh no, it got sent registration materials. It did not get registered. The paperwork was sent out based on a request. It is the end of Democracy as we know it!

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    1. Re:Registration Materials by Straif · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Two words for this line of thinking: Absentee ballot.

      Registration fraud is not just about making it possible to walk in and vote illegally in person, it also about just getting on the rolls so that a ballot can be requested by mail. And with the minimal validations being enforced in most states, it's not all that hard to do. There have already been reported cases of dead people having already voted, both federally and in the primaries.

      Then of course there is the drive by voting trend that seems to be becoming more popular where people just enter a state long enough to register vote and leave (in direct violation of state voting laws). At least 14 cases have already been well documented (one an official Obama campaign worker and 13 others in an Obama associated 'get out the vote' group).

      But to be fair in this stories case, this was more about a voter registration group just bulk mailing forms.

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    2. Re:Registration Materials by samkass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It gets even WORSE! Can you believe that some people are distributing BLANK registration forms that let you enter ANY NAME YOU WANT in the "Name" field??1!one! Let's throw out the entire democratic system because it can't possibly be perfect!

      To clarify the summary-- the registration forms (not the actual registration) were sent to the goldfish because the owner had lied about a name on phone records previously, entering the goldfish's name. The goldfish was not registered, and probably could not have come up with the ID (the form required a driver's license # or last-four SSN that matched the name) if it tried.

      Why am I not worried?

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  2. PETA by moniker127 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Looks like PETA finally got what they wanted. Damn lobbyists.

  3. Re:Bad registration doesn't matter by ArcherB · · Score: 4, Informative

    Even if the fish had been registered it wouldn't matter. Voter registration fraud or voter registration errors aren't an issue unless actual voting fraud occurs which is much more difficult. None of the erroneously registered or requested to register individuals are going to actually vote.

    First, you can't have voter fraud without registration fraud. And once the vote takes place (ballot dropped in box), there is nothing you can do.

    And yes, some of the "erroneously registered" have already voted in Ohio:

    The New Yorkers and nine other members from across the country are accused of packing themselves into a modest three-bedroom house in Columbus, waiting 30 days - and then registering, even though the Buckeye State is not their permanent residence.

    Under Ohio law, a person who comes to the state for "temporary purposes only," without the intention of making it the "permanent place of abode" is not considered a resident. New permanent residents must live in Ohio 30 days before registering.

    Four group members, including two of the New Yorkers, have already cast ballots, and six others requested absentee ballots from the county elections board.

    So, I guess now it really is voter fraud and NOT just registration fraud!

    I understand Princess the dead gold-fish did not vote, however.

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  4. Re:I'd be more concerned... by jgtg32a · · Score: 4, Insightful

    because requiring ID is racist

  5. Re:The Obama Campaign by El+Royo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Which is odd, since she has more executive experience than the other three folks involved in the race -- combined.

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  6. Are you kidding? by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is Illinois, where' we're so patriotic even being dead doesn't keep us from voting! Being nonhuman doesn't keep us from voting!

    VOTE EARLY! VOTE OFTEN!

    Illinois is home to Al Capone and Richard Daily.

    The last Democrat to be defeated by a Republican went to prison. The last Republican to be defeated by a Democrat is in prison right now. And our present Governor, a Democrat, will likely go to prison himself, as the Feds are scrutinizing him in the Rezco case.

    Both Federal Senators are Democrats. The Governor is a Democrat. The state legislature is mostly Democrat. Obama is from Illinois. Guess who's going to win Illinois by a landslide, dead goldfish or no?

  7. Re:The Obama Campaign by Weasel+Boy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Perhaps this is why we tend to elect governors as president, not senators.

  8. Re:The Obama Campaign by bonch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It gets worse. ACORN has been registering dead people, homeless people, Mickey Mouse, you name it. What was even more sickening is that Democrats on Huffington Post claimed Republicans were trying to "steal the election" by shutting down the "legitimate operations" of ACORN.

    I can't trust either one of these fucking political parties.

  9. Quantity vs. Quality of executive experience by leftie · · Score: 3, Informative

    Small town mayors and small state governors might have a certain x quantity of time on their resumes in the category of executive experience. But so do Pizza Hut managers.

    I wouldn't for a moment consider either a small town mayors, small state governors, or a Pizza Hut managers to have the type of QUALITY of leadership experience required to seek national office.

    It not just Sarah Palin that epic failed trying to move from small town mayor / governor to national candidate. Unfortunately, so did VT Gov. Howard Dean. Dean's horrible performance even with his orange hatted legions on the ground in the Iowa caucuses proved he had no large organization leadership experience. Now, with 4 years experience as Nat'l Party chair, Dean might be ready to seek national office today. Palin clearly isn't close to being ready for the national stage.

    Obama, on the other hand, ran campaign organizations first in a large chunk of Chicago, then the state of Illinois, and then lead his national Presidential campaign to beat the Clintons nationally.

  10. Re:The Obama Campaign by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As someone who works campaigns for a living now, I can tell you that trying to get off the lists is nigh impossible. Unless you tell them you will be voting against them. Those are the only ones who stopped getting called. Even then, that doesn't always work.