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Small Bird Astounds Scientists With 11,200km Flight

Zeb writes "Scientists are marveling over a small female bar-tailed godwit somewhere in New Zealand who has a world record for non-stop flying — an epic 11,200 kilometers. A major international study into the birds has been published in the journal Proceedings of the Royal Society B and it offers an explanation as to why the godwits fly so far from Alaska to New Zealand in a single bound. The birds flew non-stop for up to and covered more than 11,200km. The flight path shows the birds did not feed en route and would be unlikely to sleep." The linked Wikipedia entry claims an even longer trip record, of 11,570 kilometers.

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  1. I think the question really is... by Laebshade · · Score: 5, Funny

    African or european?

    1. Re:I think the question really is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not true. The Limosa lapponica lapponica migrates to Europe and Africa.

    2. Re:I think the question really is... by schon · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's not a question of where it grips it, it's a simple matter of weight-ratio!

  2. It's the guy's fault by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's because the male birds refused to stop and ask directions, of course. Then, when they arrived at their destinations thousands of kilometers off course, they simply claimed it was where they *wanted* to go in the first place. Now, they have to fly back there every year, or admit they were wrong in the first place. Much easier to fly 11,200 kilometers twice a year.

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  3. Re:Efficiency by maxume · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The upper limit would be their weight in calories of fat (unless you count energy that they capture from the wind or whatever as 'required'). Apparently, a large female weighs about 1.4 pounds, which is about 4,900 Calories (kcals...).

    Figure in that they are made out of stuff that they won't use up and it seems likely that it is some fraction of that.

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  4. Wait... by The+Ultimate+Fartkno · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They were "unlikely to sleep?"

    So Joe Scientist thinks there's a remote possibility that the birds napped en route during a "nonstop, over-water route?" WTF? Mind you, I'd pay good money to see it happen, but I really can't figure out how that would work.

    1. Re:Wait... by Aranykai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In the animal kingdom, its quite common for creatures to go without what we would consider restful sleep. Cows sleep standing, sharks sleep while swimming, why couldn't these birds manage some form of rest while flying?

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    2. Re:Wait... by daveb · · Score: 2, Interesting
      >So Joe Scientist thinks there's a remote possibility that the birds napped en route during a "nonstop, over-water route?" WTF?

      I guess it depends on how you define sleep. We all can do some stuff in our sleep (breathing for e.g.). I'm no biologist but I *guess* an animal could sleep and have wings set to the same automatic response as breathing, waking up when it got tricky (turbulance etc).

      But this does look interesting in terms of data delivery over avian carriers. Tiny birds ... I guess we'd be talking small MTU.

    3. Re:Wait... by Detritus · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've seen birds (sooty terns) that can spend years in the air. I've been told that they can let one part of their brain sleep while they use the other part to fly. They only need to land when they build a nest and lay eggs. You can go outside at night and see them soaring in the air currents.

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    4. Re:Wait... by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In the animal kingdom, its quite common for creatures to go without what we would consider restful sleep. Cows sleep standing, sharks sleep while swimming, why couldn't these birds manage some form of rest while flying?

      That's because they sleep differently.
      Sharks' swim center is in their spinal cord, meaning they can sleep while swimming. Birds (as it seems to be understood) can put half their brain to sleep while flying, but are unable to enter REM sleep since that entails a loss of muscle tone. Birds can sleep standing up because their tendons lock their claws into position, even while asleep. Cows & horses nap while standing, but do not enter full REM sleep unless lying down, since they need muscle tone to stand.

      Cows, horses and birds all need REM sleep at some point or they show signs of sleep deprivation.

      All this is AFAIK and YMMV

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    5. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Some birds can indeed sleep while flying, most famously swifts and albatrosses. Some birds also have the capacity to go half-asleep: they close one eye and let that half of the brain rest (Google "unilateral eye closure birds sleep").

  5. Swifts by n0rr1s · · Score: 5, Informative

    The record is actually for flying the furthest in eight days across the Pacific, not the furthest non-stop flight ever as implied by the headline. Which is not surprising - the common swift, for example, can spend years in the air without landing. http://www.commonswift.org/records_english.html

    Nonetheless, these birds are still impressive.

    1. Re:Swifts by SnowZero · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The distinction seems to be feeding; swifts can feed while they continue flying, whereas these birds are waders and can't feed until they stop. It's like the furthest airplane flight record distinction of refueling or not.

  6. That's ~6959 miles for the metric impaired by religious+freak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Admit it... you had to look it up (unless you're in physics or live outside the USA)

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    1. Re:That's ~6959 miles for the metric impaired by gardyloo · · Score: 4, Funny

      THey are so big that you stop imagening how big it is.

      That's right, ladies.

    2. Re:That's ~6959 miles for the metric impaired by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Informative

      Indeed. There are two natural, common units when talking about distances of that scale. Kilometers (~10,000 of them takes you from pole to equator) and Nautical Miles (1 minute of arc each)

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  7. I must say by rarel · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's the first time I see the Godwit law apply right from the summary.

    Oh wait...

  8. Re:Efficiency by reverseengineer · · Score: 4, Informative

    Long-distance migratory birds can stock up for flights by putting on fat roughly up to their lean weight, so a 630g godwit may only weigh about 315g at the end of its migration. Roughly, you're looking at about 2500kcals burned during the eight day flight, which is astonishing for an animal with about 1% of the weight of a human. This is about 0.0036kcal/second, or approximately 15 watts. Elite human athletes can produce about 6 watts per kg of body mass, while this bird can sustain 30 watts/kg for over a week.

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  9. Re:Efficiency by maxume · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I imagine they spend a lot of that energy staying warm. Overheating is apparently a key issue for human athletes (so dumping a bunch of heat to the environment lets the birds work harder):

    http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/15.03/bemore.html

    Still pretty impressive.

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  10. Re:Efficiency by mabhatter654 · · Score: 2, Funny

    those are only in bunnies.

  11. Re:Efficiency by retchdog · · Score: 2, Informative

    No kidding. See this reference about engineering human-powered flight: http://www.mech.ubc.ca/~hph/faq.htm#14

    "We have built our own test rig that measures power output of a pilot over a minute duration. We have plotted the results of numerous potential pilots against their weight. A successful candidate is one that falls above a power requirement curve (power vs. weight). ... We have had people vomit after these one-minute tests. In similar tests in the United States they have had one person have a mild heart attack."

    And that's for one minute of (theoretical) flight... incredible.

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  12. Re:Efficiency by pushing-robot · · Score: 3, Informative

    You are familiar with that whole square-cube thing, right?

    Birds are amazing athletes, but there's a reason why the largest flying species is around 20 kilos.

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  13. Re:When you're king, you've got to know these thin by PachmanP · · Score: 2, Funny

    *Whoooosh* (btw zippthorne, no one expects the Spanish inquisition)

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  14. Re:Efficiency by retchdog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, and allometric scaling too. I was not suggesting that birds and humans are directly comparable.

    I was blown away simultaneously by two awesome facts; 1. that human-powered flight is achievable at all; 2. that it is just-barely achievable and attempting it is dangerous for even a top-notch athlete. These facts are simultaneously a signature of our human limitations and technological progress, and deserve imho to be mentioned.

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  15. Re:Efficiency by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 2, Insightful

    NB: As the same FAQ page you linked earlier points out, helicopter flight, as the project is attempting, is much more inefficient than winged flight. Human-powered flight with winged craft had already been achieved with fairly good results 20 years ago - almost 4 hours of flight covering 74 miles.