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Ted "A Series of Tubes" Stevens Found Guilty

techmuse writes "According to a series of tubes sites, Senator Ted Stevens has been found guilty of lying about free home renovations that he received from an oil contractor. He faces up to 5 years in jail, and the outcome of his current reelection bid is now in doubt. 'The conviction came after a tumultuous week in the jury room. First there were complaints about an unruly juror, then another had to be replaced when she left Washington following the death of her father. Finally, jurors on Monday discovered a discrepancy in the indictment that had been overlooked by prosecutors. Jury deliberations in this historic trial have at times been as contentious as some of the proceedings The Justice Department indicted Stevens on July 29, and the Alaska Republican took a huge legal gamble and asked for a speedy trial in order to resolve the charges before Election Day. Judge Emmet Sullivan complied with Stevens' request, and in less than three months from the time of his indictment, Stevens was found guilty.'"

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  1. Nothing to worry about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dubya will pardon him on his way out

    Scooter will get a full pardon too (in addition to the sentence commutation he already got)

    'pubs will take care of their own, don't you worry

    1. Re:Nothing to worry about by megamerican · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, because only one party is corrupt!

      Clinton is well known for having pardoned many cocaine traffickers before leaving office. One of the first things Bush did when getting into office was block a congressional investigation into it.

      Whatever you do, don't research Mena, AK

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    2. Re:Nothing to worry about by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No one said that it's okay for anyone to do it. Megamerican was merely countering a (probably) deliberately slanted statement with the fact that both parties are corrupt, not just one.

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    3. Re:Nothing to worry about by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What's corrupt about that? These people are performing a valid service to the public and are being persecuted by the government for it. As head of that government, Clinton has the prerogative to right that wrong. The only thing wrong here is that he didn't pardon every drug offender.

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    4. Re:Nothing to worry about by evilviper · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, because only one party is corrupt!

      I'm tired of hearing this nonsense over and over again.

      Yes, Democrats have done plenty of wrong, but on the whole, they're absolute choir boys compared to the flagrant, bald-faced corruption of most of the Republican party.

      Of course, pointing the finger in willful ignorance is a typical Republican campaign tactic as well... See the McCain campaign's distribution of tire pressure gauges labeled "Obama's Energy Plan," Bush campaign promises that he was going to do more to combat global warming than Al Gore, and pretty much everything else they whole party has done in the past 20 years.

      It's a bit like a guy driving 110MPH in a 45MPH zone, and complaining to the cops about being singled out for a ticket, single HE wasn't the only one speeding, as everyone else on the road was going 50MPH... So why should HE get singled out and ticketed?

      There's plenty of fuckups on both sides, but pointing out that the Democrats aren't perfect, while the Republicans are widespread and institutionally corrupt, is purely feigned ignorance.

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  2. Meet the new Senator, same as the old Senator... by Grandiloquence · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would celebrate, but I know in my heart he'll be replaced by someone just as bad. Our body politic is rotten to the core.

  3. Duh by headhot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So your a Senator of one of the largest oil producing states, an you hire an oil services company to renovate your house, instead of say, a home builder.

    Yea that doesn't look odd at all.

  4. The sad thing by internerdj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The truely sad thing is that if he is reelected then he can serve. Forgetting there being no law against a felon holding office. Shouldn't there be some law to protect the American people from legislators who commit felonies relating to their position?

    1. Re:The sad thing by ScoLgo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To win a political race against Stevens, all his opponent needs do is bring this conviction up. That's not saying that I disagree with you but the real world will probably take care of this without the need for more laws.

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    2. Re:The sad thing by eln · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not necessarily. Most people will vote for a long-term Senator because they have a lot of seniority, and seniority in the Senate is everything. A very senior Senator will be able to have much greater influence and be much more successful at getting earmarks passed.

      In short, as long as a Senator is able to bring home the bacon to his district, a little thing like a felony conviction won't necessarily do him in.

    3. Re:The sad thing by winomonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As an Alaskan, I would be a little hesitant to put any money on a wager against his being reelected. I know a lot of people who have hated him (or been staunch Democrats) and yet have voted for him. Those who disagree with his ability to be a decent person typically acknowledge that he has gotten our state a ridiculous amount of money and development.

      His being so ridiculously connected, and his serving as the chair of so many committees, has made a lot of people give up a vote to him. It is funny/sad to see people give up their own moral pride to keep the cash flowing in. On another note, for all of his crap and corruption, he has also done some good for the state and its many indigenous peoples.

      While I think that this is going to be a pretty major nail in the coffin of his political life, I am not convinced that it will really lay the issue to rest (it would take either a stake and some garlic or a severed spinal cord, depending on whether you tie his longevity to his being a vampire or one of the undead).

  5. Could this hurt McCain/Palin? by Doug52392 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This pretty much ruined Ted's shot of being reelected, but will this hurt the image of political figures from Alaska? So close to election day, could this affect Sarah Palin's image? Morality? (Which has already been questioned).

    So what could this do to John McCain's campaign?

    (Probably already missed first post)

    1. Re:Could this hurt McCain/Palin? by rudedog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This pretty much ruined Ted's shot of being reelected

      They're so cute when they're in their young, naive stage. Too bad they grow up so fast.

  6. I feel sorry for this guy by fermion · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Stevens probably did a lot to help alaska. He probably knows more about the politics than anyone. He was in office for, what, 40 years, only 9 years less than Alaska has been a state. And the charges might be trumped out, and the defense was good. It was essentially what Reagan used in his drug smuggling case. I was not my doing, I don't recall, I don't know. So it is probably an effort to get him out of office. If he should have to office for so long.

    OTOH, one has to think that a guy that can't control his household might be over the edges. That he is so much a part of the Washington Elite, that he might not distinguish between what is done to benefit the country and what is done to enrich himself. It really speaks to the accumulation of power, and the corruption that accompanies it. One can imagine that a dictator might not be such a bad thing, except eventually the accumulated power and privilege ends up warping the sense of reality to a mentally deformed image. It is kind of the story of this election, can a guy with 8 houses and 13 cars and a corporate jet and a young rich second wife really represent the bulk of the people who do not have any of these. I don't know. It will be a change in Alaska, and we will see if they can make it. If they have been broken from their benevolent benefactor, or freed from their father figure. I sure he did good, but perhaps did not get out when the good he did was not overwhelming.

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  7. I predict... by cplusplus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...a presidential pardon in 85 days.

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  8. Re:WTF?!!? by Snowblindeye · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... there is no rule barring felons from serving in Congress.

    Aren't felons barred from voting? So, they can't be trusted enough to cast one vote in several millions, but they can be trusted enough to be a Senator?

  9. Re:Meet the new Senator, same as the old Senator.. by eln · · Score: 4, Insightful

    232 years and counting, and that still hasn't happened. But sure, the next one will do the trick.

  10. Re:Meet the new Senator, same as the old Senator.. by erroneus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Corruption is a problem of availability, not so much moral strength.

    Separate temptation from politicians and you will see fewer troubles. It would be far cheaper to grant politicians in key positions generous allowances for the rest of their lives and to clear all expenses over certain through some sort of oversight board forbidden to have any contact with the people they are overseeing. They should be very well taken care of and at the same time, isolated from their keepers. Then let the special interests make their arguments for legislation and let it be balanced against public interest groups and may legislators then make fair and balanced choices, actions and decisions.

    No more revolving doors. No more contributions from special interests. Once a politician enters public service, he should never again need to consider private sector life and would therefore have less tempting him now and in the future.

  11. Re:WTF?!!? by lakeland · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure, how about pirating music?

  12. Re:Meet the new Senator, same as the old Senator.. by homer_s · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From here:

    " Among the articles of faith of "progressivism" is the theory - which never yields to experience - that you can fill the sea with enormous quantities of fresh red meat and then, Moses-like, successfully command the sharks not to devour it."

    "As long as Uncle Sam continues to stock the Potomac by ripping from the body politic such enormous quantities of flesh and muscle - now more than three trillion dollars worth annually - sharks and vultures will inevitably swarm throughout Washington in a competitive struggle to gorge themselves on this unfortunate feast."

  13. Re:Meet the new Senator, same as the old Senator.. by SydShamino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It would be far cheaper to grant politicians in key positions generous allowances for the rest of their lives

    Indeed. Instead, we have many people (including many on Slashdot) advocating for term limits, which force those politicians to immediately start thinking about their income post-service, and what they can do now to ensure it.

    I've always thought that being a lifetime public servant, if your constituents allow it, is far better than being another revolving door politician heading from a law degree into a cushy PR position at a company paying for the laws you gave them.

    Obviously Ted Stevens decided he could keep the office and get the payback, too; he should have retired six years ago, after which time he could have gotten all the house upgrades he desired for the work he'd already performed for the oil industry.

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  14. Re:Hey Ted, maybe you can understand this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh, that why cube farms feel somewhat like a prison?

  15. Re:Jail: "Just A Series of Bars" by GospelHead821 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can take no pleasure in the thought of an 84-year-old man going to federal prison. Were he a younger man guilty of a more heinous crime, I could see the necessity or prudence of it. As it is, I will do no more than shrug and say "Let justice be served."

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  16. Re:Jail: "Just A Series of Bars" by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Comprimising our democracy for money? There can be no more heinous crime. For a member of Congress to take such a bribe should be a death penalty offense.

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  17. Re:Jail: "Just A Series of Bars" by Xaositecte · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What do you think are the odds of him getting a pardon?

    I mean, really, why else would he want to have the trial finished before the election?

  18. Not buying it. by EriDay · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes there have always been corrupt politicians from all parties. The difference is Tom Delay and the K street project institutionalized corruption. That's why the Republican party is going down so hard in this election.

    Either that or the government is in worse condition than we know and and the republicans want to make sure there are no republicans anywhere near government for the next four years. I don't know how else to explain the terrible campaigns being run by all republicans this year.

  19. Re:Give a break on "series of tubes" by evilviper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Give Ted Stevens a break on the "series of tubes" analogy. He was trying to describe saturation of available bandwidth in terms of water going through a pipe. It is a particularly good analogy given that educational metaphor for electrical systems are usually in terms of water in a pipe (or tube).

    The "tubes" comment wasn't the ridiculous part... That's just the quickest short-hand for that whole speech he gave.

    While the numerous mis-statements, like calling the internet "tubes", and repeatedly calling an "e-mail" an "internet" where stupid... The fact that he thinks an e-mail from his staff took 4 days to get to his inbox because the "tubes" were "full" of movies downloading is what really demonstrates his woeful ignorance.

    But what really makes it really sad, important, etc., is the fact that he chaired the United States Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, tasked with regulating the internet, and used his overwhelming clear ignorance to justify striking down network neutrality legislation.

    John McCain got similarly criticized for getting the Sunni/Shia thing wrong while making a speech, and failing to correct his own mistake.

    When you have a role of responsibility regulating something, and you demonstrate an utter ignorance of the subject, it's not "snickering" to point out that fact, as often as necessary.

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