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10 Years Later, Misunderstood DMCA Is the Law That "Saved the Web"

mattOzan writes "On the tenth anniversary of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act [PDF], Wired Magazine posits that the DMCA should be praised for catalyzing the interactive '2.0' Web that we enjoy today. While acknowledging the troublesome 'anti-circumvention' provision of the act, they claim that any harm caused by that is far outweighed by the act's "notice-and-takedown" provision and the safe harbor that this provides to intermediary ISPs. Fritz Attaway, policy adviser for the MPAA weighed in saying 'It's not perfect. But it's better than nothing.'"

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  1. Safe Harbor made innovation work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's true, the notice-and-takedown is a bitch for the user but without the safe harbor that it provides, the service providers would do a lot more validation and the web 2.0 would not be so user oriented.
    Now the DMCA applied to hardware makes me scream so it's not perfect but the safe harbor is one thing that they got right.

    1. Re:Safe Harbor made innovation work by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Now the DMCA applied to hardware makes me scream so it's not perfect but the safe harbor is one thing that they got right.

      It would be righter if there were actual penalties for falsely sending a takedown when you don't have the authority to do so (you don't actually own the copyright to the material).

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    2. Re:Safe Harbor made innovation work by DinkyDogg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The DMCA allows anyone to issue a takedown notice of anything, without any proof that it's infringing, and requires the person who uploaded the content (or the accused, in cases of filesharing) to reveal his identity in order to contest the claim. Scientology has used this to censor criticism from those who want to remain anonymous. The RIAA uses it to bully college students who are better off taking the blame for copyright infringement even if they are innocent rather than revealing their identities so they can be sued without a subpoena. ISPs should not be liable for what their customers do with that connection at all. Why is the DMCA, which makes ISP liability contingent on responses such as "terminating repeat offenders" and taking down content without any proof of copyright infringement a good thing?

    3. Re:Safe Harbor made innovation work by DinkyDogg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Since it's mostly massive corporations issuing the takedown notices against individuals, being able to pursue perjury charges in court is rarely feasible.

    4. Re:Safe Harbor made innovation work by jelton · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If there was no DMCA, we wouldn't need the safe harbor.

      Except for that pesky Copyright Act of 1976.

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    5. Re:Safe Harbor made innovation work by MadnessASAP · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well the alternative before the DMCA safe harbour is that sites like Youtube would be held accountable for every single copyright violation on them. Think about that for a moment before you go calling someone a moron. The DMCA is far from perfect but, as was previously stated, is better then nothing for certain cases.

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    6. Re:Safe Harbor made innovation work by Atlantis-Rising · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It is neither desirable nor easily practical to conceal the identity of the accused; in fact, it is desirable and practical for the opposite to happen.

      What do you have against people being able to publicly confront their accusers and be confronted in turn?

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    7. Re:Safe Harbor made innovation work by TrekkieGod · · Score: 5, Informative

      There is - perjury. The problem is that nobody pursues it.

      Everyone misunderstands that clause. The penalty is not perjury if you don't own the copyright. The penalty is perjury if you didn't have a "good faith" belief that you own the copyright. So if you send your take-down to something that has a similar name to your movie, you can prove that you had a "good faith" believe that it was your movie, even if it was something else.

      THAT is why nobody pursues it. It's almost impossible to prove that the person did committed perjury. They really need to fix that clause because, as it stands, it's completely toothless.

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    8. Re:Safe Harbor made innovation work by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It is neither desirable nor easily practical to conceal the identity of the accused; in fact, it is desirable and practical for the opposite to happen.

      What do you have against people being able to publicly confront their accusers and be confronted in turn?

      What do you have against anonymous speech?

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    9. Re:Safe Harbor made innovation work by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It is absolutely critical, in many cases, to conceal the identity of the accused. Otherwise, political and satirical material, which is some of the most protected speech, may be blocked by fears of discovery for using completely 'Fair Use' quotes or video, and taken down immediately and with little recourse with fraudulent 'DMCA' notices.

  2. DMCA saved me by BountyX · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Being a Tor server operator, I get a couple copyright infringment letters and take down notices here and there...I just reference DMCA and they go away. Seems to work well.

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  3. Praising the DMCA is going a bit far by DesScorp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's kind of like praising No Child Left Behind. Something like it was necessary, but did we have to have the result?

    In an economy where knowledge, software, and creative work is paid for, you do have to have some legal protection for those works. Despite what some may wish, this isn't a Brave GNU World where everything is free as in give it all away. People want paychecks.

    That said, what we desperately need is a system that both protects the copyright of these works, and allows common sense fair use for the end customer. We don't have that with a Wild West kind of no-copyright system, and we don't have that with the DMCA.

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    1. Re:Praising the DMCA is going a bit far by ultranova · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In an economy where knowledge, software, and creative work is paid for, you do have to have some legal protection for those works. Despite what some may wish, this isn't a Brave GNU World where everything is free as in give it all away.

      The question is: if such protections didn't exist, and every piece of "intellectual property" would thus be created either because someone wanted to or someone wanted it to exist enough to pay someone else to make it, would the world be better or worse off ?

      People want paychecks.

      At this point, I wonder if we'd be better off by repealing the copyright laws and simply paying the MAFIAA an annual "protection" cost equal to its current profits. The MAFIAA would get its paycheck, we'd end up paying less money overall due to less waste, and get rid of the perverting effects the copyright cartels have on our society and technology (such as DRM). It would be a net win for everyone.

      That, or we could simply point out that people wanting to be paid doesn't mean that they should be. Unless, of course, I'm entitled to be paid every time someone views this comment.

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  4. Re:Yes! It saved the web! by BlackSabbath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How a 'bout a whac-a-mole(TM) analogy?

    As a result of whacking the mole on the head with a mallet when it tries to pop up out of four of the five holes, the DMCA is responsible for the mole's successful appearance out of the last hole.

  5. "Journalism" Wired Style by devloop · · Score: 5, Interesting

    TFA is a total fallacy, there is not even a weak attempt at justifying the conclusion
    that the DMCA has had any sort of beneficial effects on technology, much less
    "catalyzing the interactive '2.0' web".

    There is as much of a cause/effect relationship between the two as
    there is between the DMCA being enacted and my balls growing gray hairs the same year.

    Here's a link to the definition of Non sequitur: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(logic)

    Just your typical lame eyeball whoring by Wired, nothing to see move along.

  6. To be fair by CSMatt · · Score: 5, Informative

    The DMCA is an umbrella act of at least five different acts (well, four and a few miscellaneous stuff). The article's praise is for the Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act, whereas most of the criticism over the past decade is actually aimed at the WIPO Copyright and Performances and Phonograms Treaties Implementation Act.

  7. Re:Not perfect, but not all bad. by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Without the explicit "fair use" bits, the Web wouldn't look like it does today.

    Fair Use existed as US common law over a hundred years ago.

    Without the DMCA, those (media) companies would have had to file lawsuits that would have quickly and explicitly carved out the limits of fair use, which would be good for us and not for them.

    The DMCA did not give us, the end users, any benefit that I can see.
    Even if you want to argue benefits, I don't think it will take much to show the negatives have far outweighed any positives.

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  8. Draconian Media Copyright Act by SickFreak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've always felt like the DMCA is like an authority figure that tries to sound lenient by saying, "You know, we could have made it a lot worse..." or "Aren't you thankful you can still have your toys/music?"

    Not one user ever says, Gee, I wish that today I could do *less* with my music today than I could yesterday.

    The DMCA is a corporation-driven, draconian rule that is abused on both sides, by the enforcers and the afflicted. Increased government regulation is rarely the answer to any of our societal/economic ills, much less so in the case of digital media.

  9. Bovine Fecal Matter by DustoneGT · · Score: 5, Funny

    What's next, praise for the security provided by the PATRIOT Act? This wired article wreaks of bovine excrement.

  10. "Better than nothing"? by fan+of+lem · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nothing is better.

  11. Impossible to gauge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Despite the problems and abuses, it's impossible to gauge what the internet landscape would look like today had it not been for the DMCA

    Er, you could look at the Internet landscape found in other countries that didn't have a DMCA-style law in 1998.

  12. illogical. by wickerprints · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article contains a serious flaw in logic. Given the legal environment of the DMCA, if the internet we have now is a Good Thing, then how does that imply that the DMCA is the cause, without considering how much potentially better things could have been instead?

    This kind of false rationalization is neither legitimate news reporting, nor is it respectful of those who have fought against the abuses of a poorly conceived and implemented law.

    After all, it's a bit like saying that because my car got towed yesterday, I wasn't able to get into a car accident. That I had no car to wreck does not mean I am better off for having it towed--in fact, it is very probable the time and money I spent to retrieve it could have gone to something much more rewarding and useful.

  13. Re:Not perfect, but not all bad. by leomekenkamp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hmmm, I somehow have this feeling that stating the whole of the web would look significantly different because of a single law in only one of the countries that are on that web, is a bit presumptious.

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  14. Two laws. by h4rm0ny · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Trouble is, the DMCA is two laws rolled into one. On the one hand you have the way hosting sites such as Youtube are not held responsible for copyright violations of user-uploaded content so long as they immediately withdraw material on allegation of infringement. This is what the article is saying is responsible for current sites such as Youtube, MySpace and others. This is a supportable argument (i.e. you may or may not agree with it, but there is certainly a case to be argued). On the other hand, you have the restrictions on circumvention technology. An entirely distinct law that most people here would probably agree is far less supportable from the viewpoint of social good. Yet these two very different things have been rolled into one, probably to increase the chances of getting the latter part passed. This has the effect of making it much harder to evaluate or debate the DMCA law in the USA.

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