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NSA and Army On Quest For Quantum Physics Jackpot

coondoggie sends this excerpt from NetworkWorld: "The US Army Research Office and the National Security Agency (NSA) are together looking for some answers to their quantum physics questions. ... The Army said quantum algorithms that are developed should focus on constructive solutions [PDF] for specific tasks, and on general methodologies for expressing and analyzing algorithms tailored to specific problems — though they didn't say what those specific tasks were ... 'Investigators should presuppose the existence of a fully functional quantum computer and consider what algorithmic tasks are particularly well suited to such a machine. A necessary component of this research will be to compare the efficiency of the quantum algorithm to the best existing classical algorithm for the same problem.'"

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  1. This just in... by sfazzio · · Score: 5, Insightful

    NSA and Army wants quantum computations researchers to do exactly what they have been doing for the last 15 years.

  2. Re:What's the point.. by Fluffeh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why must people with no idea on a particular subject always be in charge of the budgets around a particular subject?

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  3. Reminds me of an old joke by FlyingBishop · · Score: 5, Funny

    A chemist, a physicist and a mathematician are stranded on a desert island, and all they have is a can of beans. They need to open the can so that they can eat, so they each in turn set about devising a method to open the can.

    The chemist comes up with a method that involves making seawater acidic enough to get the top off (while neutralizing the acid with some basic coconut juice from a nearby tree.)

    The physicist comes up with a complicated rock apparatus to basically smash open the can.

    The mathematician scratches his head, and walks around the beach for a while considering the problem. Finally, he comes and sits down next to his fellow castaways and says, "Assume a can opener..."

  4. So... by FlyByPC · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Investigators should presuppose the existence of a fully functional quantum computer," huh?

    Does anyone else here read this as "NSA has a nifty, shiny new toy and are looking for ways to use it" ...?

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    1. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, too suspicious to regard that as an "if we had one"...

      *dons foil hat*

    2. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's just as possible that they don't have one but are working on one. Their goal may be to have a supply of algorithms already available by the time they complete their development of a quantum computer.

      Another possibility, which was mentioned by someone else above, is that they may be trying to decide whether they should try to build a quantum computer.

    3. Re:So... by forkazoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Investigators should presuppose the existence of a fully functional quantum computer," huh?

      Does anyone else here read this as "NSA has a nifty, shiny new toy and are looking for ways to use it" ...?

      I'm sure a lot of people read it that way. Personally, I read it as, "We know a quantum computer will be practical in the near future, and when that happens we want to be able to hit the ground running while everybody else says 'we has a nifty, shiny new toy and are looking for ways to use it.'"

    4. Re:So... by shawb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Alternatively, they may be trying to convince the world that they DO have a quantum computer.

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    5. Re:So... by moosesocks · · Score: 4, Funny

      Alternatively, they may be trying to convince the world that they MAY have a quantum computer.

      Fixed that for you. When it comes to Quantum, you can never be too certain.

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    6. Re:So... by Arancaytar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Two problems:

      1.) They wouldn't tell us. They wouldn't even tell us this subtly.

      2.) They would have no lack of work for their shiny new toy, and the algorithm exists already. See Shor's algorithm.

    7. Re:So... by blueg3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No. Too obvious. They might as well just say they have a quantum computer. If they had one and didn't want anyone to know about it, they'd get this research done more quietly.

      This is a "construct reasons why quantum computers should be funded". Also, if they feel that working quantum computers are on the horizon, their design may need to be influenced by their future application. (For example, Algorithm We Must Have required 192 qbits -- so make sure that first working quantum computer has at least that many.)

  5. Re:What's the point.. by CodeBuster · · Score: 2, Funny

    because they have all of the money, wasn't that easy?

  6. Re:What's the point.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because people who do understand subjects like this usually have a hard time deciding their budget shouldn't be unlimited.

    I know, because I happen to be one of those people. I'm just saying I can see how it might be seen as a conflict of interest to expect people to limit their own budgets (when those budgets).

  7. Re:What's the point.. by Fluffeh · · Score: 3, Funny

    I like your thinking. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

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  8. Re:What's the point.. by MrMista_B · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Also likely, from this 'Investigators should presuppose the existence of a fully functional quantum computer' is that they /already have/ a fully functional quantum computer, and are just trying to figure out what to do with the darned thing.

  9. One day at the NSA by EEPROMS · · Score: 4, Funny

    Jim "well it is this new quantum encryption software, everytime I open a new subject the encrypted output window is already full of encrypted text and I havent even typed anything.
    IT Support "ah yes that is normal, it is a side effect of quantum state data transfer, you know, it arrives before it leaves etc, just ignore it"
    Jim "out of curriosity has anyone ever tried decrypting the text before they have actually written the message"
    IT Support "God no, dont ever do that, laws of time and space become screwed up, the last guy who tried that vanished with a sucking noise and was replaced by a plush cookie monster toy"

  10. Re:wait.. by FrangoAssado · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can't a quantum computer [...] break any encryption instantly by only actually arriving at the destination assigned?

    No. Quantum computers can theoretically solve some problems faster than classical computers. Among these (and perhaps most famously) is factoring -- see Shor's Algorithm. Fast factorization breaks RSA encryption, which is what everyone uses.

    It is not known whether quantum computers can in general solve problems exponentially faster than classical ones. Further, it is not known for most important problems how to take advantage of quantum computers to achieve dramatic speedups (or even if it's possible). It seems that NSA and the Army want to know more about this.

  11. It's about time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Quantum computing has been getting quite a lot of grant money in recent years, ever since IBM's Peter Shor found a quantum algorithm to factor products of large primes in polynomial time, threatening to break a lot of public key cryptosystems. The money that this unlocked has supported a lot of neat basic physics research, but at present Shor's algorithm remains the only known killer app for quantum computers. It's about time somebody asked for more applications. If none are found soon, funding for QC will probably drop quite a bit, and probably should.

    1. Re:It's about time by darkstar949 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If I remember my theory correctly, then any of the NP-Complete problems would most likely be solvable in polynomial time using quantum computers. A couple of the problems have more obvious military uses than others; for example, the knapsack problem would allow for the optimization of logistics and it looks like there is already a quantum algorithm of knapsack problem.

    2. Re:It's about time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You don't remember your theory correctly. Most QM researchers believe that NP complete problems -cannot- be solved in polynomial time, using a QM computer. I think that particular paper is now considered dubious, to put it mildly.

      The real open problem that might be accessible to a QM computer is graph isomorphism.