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Secondlight, Microsoft's New Surface Prototype

Barence writes "Microsoft has literally added another dimension to its touchscreen table technology Surface. The new table projects an image through the table itself, so that any translucent material (such as tracing paper or perspex) held above the Surface screen displays a different image to what you see on the table's display. This means you can have a satellite image of a town on the table, and have the street names projected on to a piece of paper that the user holds above the map. Or you could have a photo of a car, with the tracing paper displaying images of its innards."

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  1. Re:How long by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If they're presenting it then you can be assured that it is already patent pending.

    Which means its been in the lab for about 2 years already.. so in another 8 it might be on the market - but it'll be (more) boring by then, so it won't.

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  2. Right... by complete+loony · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So... it can display a second image that is completely invisible unless I hold a piece of paper in front of it.

    Is it just me or does that sound kind of silly?

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    1. Re:Right... by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Seriously. I like the idea of doing research for the sake of research, and I would probably respect this more, except Microsoft keeps representing it as
      1. The coolest thing they have ever come up with.
      2. The future of computing.

      and it is neither, it is just cool research. It's so cute the way Microsoft has gotten all senile and out of touch in its old age.

      OK, off to do laundry now. When will they make a robot that does my laundry for me? Now THAT will be progress.

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    2. Re:Right... by Perseid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That was what I thought when I first saw a computer mouse. Do I expect this will revolutionize computing? Maybe, but probably not. Does that mean it's not cool? Naw, it's cool and my inner geek wants one. It's good to see Microsoft is indeed trying to make new stuff. That's more than we can say about them a lot of the time.

    3. Re:Right... by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I believe it could be profoundly useful.

      Expand the size to that of a conference table or put it up as a white board(as shown in the episode of SNL with the fake Sarah palin skit) and grab a team of engineers to brainstorm and manipulate UML and other diagrams in real time in front of a live studio audience(shareholders: "ooooh! ahhhhh!")

      Sure beats dry-erase markers or e-mailing small-ass graphic files back and forth.

    4. Re:Right... by MrMr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bonus if it sorts socks!
      Fixed that years ago: choose the kind of socks you like best and standardize. I can now even throw away a single sock without looking for the other one...

  3. What's the advantage over doing it in software? by dpbsmith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seems pointless to me.

    If this functionality is useful, why couldn't you just have the software display a rectangle that you can drag across the screen that affects what is displayed within the rectangle?

    Then it's always available regardless of whether you happen to have a nearby supply of tracing paper with the proper translucency characteristics.

    And then it's equally visible with the main image, from all angle and lighting conditions, because it is in fact the main image.

    Actually I don't understand why you'd only want street names displayed only with a small rectangular area, rather than toggling them on and off across the entire image.

    1. Re:What's the advantage over doing it in software? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I gotta say you don't seem very imaginative. Think in terms of open source. This may be MS developed, but it will very easily make it into the hands of very creative independent developers. I'm by no means a programmer, let alone a creative one, but here's one quick example

      There are plenty of cases when I'm playing with Autocad on a project and could use a sketch immediately on paper, nothing fancy, just something hard copy to bring to the next room or building for confirmation with a teammate. I wouldn't have to publish to DWG or DWF or wait for him to load Autocad or even type a email. I can simply trace what is on the screen. Maybe its just the way I work, but also printing some of my stuff is a pain in the ass.

      Also what about games? This is also a multitouch surface, and here's the chance for a limited viewport within a bigger pictures.

      There are so many possibilities that I am truly excited for this down the line. Never put down a new way of data manipulation, because it just might change the way you work.

    2. Re:What's the advantage over doing it in software? by blankinthefill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      From TFA: "Using an infrared camera, the secondary "display" can also be used as a multitouch surface. What's more, it can display video." In conjunction with the part where you can use the TRANSLUCENT MATERIAL (doesn't HAVE to be PAPER)to see inside of something who's outsides are displayed on the main screen (ala their car example) I could actually see this being pretty damn useful. Besides, many many many things are invented that don't seem useful until someone thinks outside the box with them, then wallah, magic shit happens! Honestly, I could see this being useful for a number of things right now, and I'll be the first to admit that I am not really a very good innovator.

  4. Re:So how does this benefit anyone? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's what I want to know.

    Clearly I'm missing something obvious, but other than looking cool, is there any practical advantage to this?

    It would seem that the very thing that makes it look cool -- that "added dimension" -- is also going to mean that the way in which the images are superimposed varies depending on where you're standing. The only way the roads in that "road map" idea would be in the right place is if you were hovering directly over the table -- except you'd be blocking the projector, and it still wouldn't be right towards the edges of the table.

    I mean, I get the point of Surface itself. I do. What I don't get is what value this other layer has over doing the same thing in software.

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  5. Come on guys.... by Idiomatick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its fucking cool technology. Don't let fanboyism ruin this. Its a big table, its expensive. But its still fucking cool. Have you forgotten you are nerds? Who gives a shit how useful it is? Aren't people always arguing pro research that isn't about making a buck. Now when 'evil' microsoft does something all nerds like (making cool shit without having purely profit in mind) what happens? You bash it? I expect better :S

  6. Re:HOW FRIGGING COOL!!! by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, you can set the paper directly onto the table.

    And use a transparency, allowing you to see the bottom image as well. Not that this seems incredibly useful to me in the described application, but it could become an interesting capability.

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  7. Re:My company by Artifakt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Every good employee you have is an already selected and prescreened applicant for other jobs you might need done. He or she is already familiar with the company, knows many of the other employees, and you've already completed a bunch of paperwork on them. If he or she were lazy or inefficient or crooked, presumably you would have fired them, not waited until there was an excuse to lay them off. When you lay them off, they go elsewhere, and then when you need another job done, you have to pick from a bunch of unscreened applicants, fill out new paperwork, train somebody in the basics of your corporate culture, and re-incur a lot of costs you already paid once. Doing a lot of layoffs is basically committing to shrink for months after the cause of the layoffs ends, months in which a smart competitor may grow. Something like increases in efficiency should mean your company will grow, and therefore need more people in the long run. Layoffs there are the same as betting your increased efficiency won't, by itself, improve your bottom line.

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  8. Re:How long by timmarhy · · Score: 2, Insightful
    did you even RTFA? oh wait this is quantumG....

    this is pretty cool stuff, it allows the user to display an image on the table of say a building, and different people (say engineers working on different sections like plumbing and electrical) can throw on their own parts of the plans to see if they are going to conflict and to easily show others. having actually worked on large projects where one of the biggest hurdles is inter discipline co operation i can see a real use for this.

    if this was apple developing it i'm guessing you'd all be masturbating over it by now.....

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  9. Re:How long by durnurd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Except, of course, every time you come in, you have to enunciate "honey Mustard, not honey Roasted", and she still can't find the Honey Mustard Chicken button on the cash register, even though you're staring right at it, and you've ordered it before, and you've seen her press it before.

    I'll take the table.

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