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Game Makers Accusing Innocent People of Piracy In the UK

eldavojohn writes "It's a topic that a lot of game makers like Atari don't want the public hearing: game makers wrongfully accusing clearly innocent people of piracy. From the article, 'According to Michael Coyle, an intellectual property solicitor with law firm Lawdit, more and more people are being wrongly identified as file-sharers. He is pursuing 70 cases of people who claim to be wrongly accused of piracy and has spoken to hundreds of others, he told the BBC.' If only a few are coming forward after receiving extortion letters ('Pay £500 OR ELSE!'), what's the actual number of those out there being wrongfully accused?"

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  1. Nothing new by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They have been accusing innocent people of copyright infringement for years. Although this was limited to just their customers and potential customers. Of course when sales drop you have to expand your target audience.

    1. Re:Nothing new by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 5, Interesting

      But... They include copy protection on their games, and continue to make it more and more aggressive.

      How is this software piracy of which they speak even possible? I mean they wouldn't include the protection and ruin gaming for their legitimate customers if it didn't work... Would they?

      *quietly waits for the sarcasm tag to be added to the html standard*

      What a racket the copy protection business is. What other industry could thrive so much on failure?

  2. Re:The UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My town, and most others in California, has a curfew for minors, 10:00pm. I've been hassled before walking around passed midnight. They let me move along when they realize I'm not some teenager though.

  3. Re:The UK by Kokuyo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As disgusting as I find that (and saying that as someone who is regularly disturbed at night be drunk teenagers), it still doesn't equal a nationwide curfew for everyone.

    A curfew for kids is actually taking the parents rights away to decide whether their kids are mature enough to be out past 10 pm. So it does go in a similar direction. Still, it's a far cry from a curfew for all adults.

  4. Err...right... by Loibisch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And this amount of "70 cases" is relevant how, seeing that of course, the world only consisting of honest citizens, everybody rightfully accused of filesharing copyrighted content, would immediately admit to it?

  5. Re:Lawyers smelt money. by sc4ry4nt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I work for a law firm and I assure you this stuff is small fry for lawyers - the big money is in other fields of litigation, not sueing individuals for file sharing. It's the government and it's affiliated agencies that are at fault, as always they are persuing the filesharing community to try to stop and prevent further illegal filesharing. As always they have failed time and time again to provide filesharers with a legal and cost effective solution. Sueing the average Joe is never going to work in the long term, they'll catch a few major players and maybe make the example of the odd teenager to show that "no-one's" safe from the big bad wolf and then they will push it underground. The technology will get smarter as will filesharers and the Government will once again be behind in the fight.

  6. I'm getting damn sick of this by Psychotria · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I BUY all my games. I even have games that were only installed for an hour or less and are sitting on my shelf. This DRM crap, these accusations, this treating the customer as a criminal is fucking outrageous. I bought Far Cry 2. I could have downloaded it at least a week before it was even released. And, yet, me--the legal customer doing the right thing--has all these stupid DRM restrictions. I can accept that. If worse comes to worse I will get a pirated version of the SAME GAME, because I paid for the damn thing and I will play it on my computer any damn way I fuc*ing feel like. Why am *I* being punished for giving the game companies money? It's one of the most ridiculous situations in the gaming society. My LEGAL copy of Doom 3 I cannot play online 'cause someone (probably using a keygen) has MY serial number. I am sick of it. I am sick of the game companies hiding behind this masquerade. I am sick of being treated like a 2nd class citizen because I do the right thing.

    1. Re:I'm getting damn sick of this by Psychotria · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sorry for replying to my own post, but I seriously annoyed. If a game company EVER rings me up and alludes or accuses me of being a pirate then they can kiss my arse and I will do *everything* I can, in court or whatever, to make them look as bad as possible. I have done nothing wrong and I bet a lot of these other accused people have done nothing wrong. It's not a matter of winning or losing, it's an ETHICAL matter. I am a loyal customer. Some of those accused (I bet) are/were loyal customers. Treating customers as criminals has to stop. No offence to the people involved (it's unfornunate), but I hope that one of them has the balls (and, unfortunately, money) to take these extortionists to court and drag them through the mud. Hang them up for a public flogging. And, then, hopefully this shameful practice of treating paying customers will stop.

    2. Re:I'm getting damn sick of this by ledow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Stop buying games, then. Not just *buying* them, but playing them too. Or make your purchases much more carefully. I did this years ago and haven't bought a PC game in that time, unless it was a non-DRM thing off a budget label. The only game I play online is Counterstrike, because I have at least four legitimate copies of the original CD version at home, all of which entitle me to a Steam account with that game. I last loaded Steam about a year ago. Someone bought me FarCry for Christmas - I haven't even opened it.

      Instead, I download freeware, use open-source games, buy games (if I buy any at all) that are from smaller developers, budget labels and/or have no DRM in them at all. Even my wife now recognises the Sold Out, etc. budget labels in shops and points them out to me if she sees them. Gaming for me has gone from a hardcore-fanatic industry to where it should have always stayed: casual gamers. A few levels of some platformer, a couple of Flash games, and I'm happy.

      If you think I don't game much, you're wrong. Gaming is a family trait - over the years we've wasted countless hours playing every Mario game ever made (my mum loves them and has completed them all), Tetris, Counterstrike, you name it. We have PC's, consoles and handhelds all over the place. Dad loves his Palm, word games and racing games. Mum loves her various consoles and Mario. My brother is PC-oriented and plays strategy games and FPS. My wife comes from a family that had Sega instead of Nintendo and so much prefers replaying all her old Megadrive games. About once a week, we all get together and have a massive gaming bash and it's not unusual for my Mum to still be up at 3am trying to complete a Mario level. There are computers I've built for them loaded up with emulators for all their old consoles, freeware, and flash games. We even had a CD-i which we kept just for PacMania (which Mum loves). My earliest computing memory is my brother, Dad and I all working together to complete and then map Nonterraqueous for the Spectrum. It took weeks and the largest bit of graph paper you've ever seen in your life. (We did it in the end, and the day after, a magazine published a map in it's cheats section. Grr...)

      What I'm doing now is actually spending a lot more time on emulators of older games that I know I'll enjoy. I carry a GP2X just to replay all my old SNES games. I just replayed Red Alert on PC, because it was released as freeware without DRM, and it was really quite good fun. Syndicate in DOSBox gave me more hours of fun (except that impossibly stupid last mission) than I've ever got from a modern £50 PC game. I have a stack of games that I bought years ago that I just keep replaying (or, in some cases, actually getting around to play for the first time). Carmageddon, Project IGI, Master of Magic, even stupid old Apogee stuff like Commander Keen and Halloween Harry. The first Unreal Tournament, Quake and every one of it's official expansions (which I can even play on the GP2X). They are *all* great games. They are all replayable. None of them demands 10% of my hard disk or some ridiculously overspecced graphics card. I get more use out of XQuest 2 and The Incredible Machine than I do out of anything made for a console in the last few years.

      Eventually all the games that people are raving about now will come out on budget labels and if they *were* actually any good, I'll know by the time they do, snap them up for a bargain, have no troubles with DRM, stupid system requirements, activation, or having to have the latest, greatest hardware to play smoothly, etc.

      I like to play my parent's Wii - it's great fun. We buy about two or three games for it a year between the five of us. But even the (unskippable) cutscenes in Mario Galaxy which I played for the first time this week were so annoying because when I play, I just want to play. I haven't even looked at any other console past the N64 or original Playstation. Every now and again, I'll buy a complete console with controllers, acc

  7. Re:Lawyers smelt money. by sc4ry4nt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Cut and paste!? They're far more efficient than that - time is money (literally) in a law firm, they have speadsheets and mail merges for that! They'll even charge you for the printing! ;)

  8. Why NOT ? by redelm · · Score: 4, Interesting
    As I understand the UK legal system, there are some important differences: 1) No class actions; 2) No punative damages; 3) No jury awards.

    What, precisely, is the downside for ATARI's troll? Yes, they could have to pay [taxed/controlled] defense legal costs. But the defendant would have to put up all the money first, then try to recover the judge's award included in the verdict.

    Please tell me again, what is the downside? Judges may well fume. But they can do nothing. The letters are not extortion, but an "offer to settle" that might even be excluded from evidence as such!

    The UK legal system mostly works because of self restraint. And poorly when that fails. Sometimes you can find a barrister who doesn't mind egg on his face. Solicters live there.

  9. Re:The UK by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The situation with regard to music licensing is insane in the UK. The pub near my mother got fined about a year ago because they had the cheapest kind of live music license, which only allowed solo or duet performers. One evening, there was someone in the audience who knew the performers and was invited to join in for a few songs. When the pictures hit the press, someone from the council saw them, checked the license allowed it, and fined them.

    A friend from my salsa class recently opened a cafe and wants to have dance evenings occasionally. She can't yet though, because the total for all of the licenses she needs (apparently you need a license to let people dance in your cafe - WTF?) comes to around £3000 and she's unlikely to make that much extra profit from them. Some of the license money goes to the copyright cartels, some to the councils. Unfortunately no one is standing for council election on a platform of encouraging small businesses by reducing license costs, yet people wonder why the city centre is gradually losing all of the small businesses to massive chains.

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  10. Not about piracy, about resale rights by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ironically, the DRM schemes designed to protect against piracy are more and more likely to make honest customers turn to piracy. The whole thing lends credence to the idea that what the game makers REALLY want out of DRM is to remove first sale rights, not combat piracy.

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