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Poll Finds 23 Percent of Texans Think Obama is Muslim
A University of Texas poll has found that 23 percent of Texans are convinced that Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama is a Muslim. Only 45 percent of the people polled correctly identified Obama as a Protestant Christian. Nationwide, the number of people who believe in the "Secret Muslim Conspiracy" is about the same as those who believe that the moon landing was faked (5-10 percent), which makes the high numbers in Texas unusual.
Yes, it would be interesting if there was no illegal labor force available. I guess in farm fields some folks think there is no choice but the illegals. In cities there are clearly choices and these people are certainly taking jobs that others would do.
See, we're not talking about "immigrants", we are talking about a work force that is here to get the benefits and send them back to Mexico. Immigrants - people that want to become part of the United States are a benefit to everyone... sort of. But a bunch of locusts that come in, grab as much as they can and take it back with them elsewhere are not needed.
Finally, all it takes is for the jobs to dry up. Arizona took some serious steps and there is still a flood of illegals leaving. Whole schools closing because there aren't enough children in the community any longer. When the jobs dry up, the people will leave all by themselves. We do not need to "send" anyone anywhere.
Well, your dad is right to believe what his eyes tell him to believe. Obama did refuse to put his hand ofer his heart and he did refuse to wear flag lapels when everyone else was doing it. As for the muslim part, you should really set him streight on that.
But back to hating america, Obama probably doesn't hate america but his actions show that he doesn't love it as much as other claim to. People show their patriotism and love of country with actions like putting their hand over their heart to say the pledge or wearing flag lapels and so on. Refusing to do so just means your refusing to show that for whatever reason. If your dad is uncomfortable with the impression this leaves him about Obama, then he is entitled to interpret how he was raised to see those actions. It isn't like the looking at the flag or puting your hand over your heart is a secrete or anything.
I second that, see Bush, George W. as an example.
So you are saying I should vote for someone with a toxic belief system like Catholisism? Also, were Obama muslim which he's not... it would not automatically transform the US into a Sharia law state. Thats a fear beyond irrational.
There are also many Muslims that serve in the U.S. Armed Forces, but I don't see you bitching about them. So it's okay for them to die for this country, but not okay to lead it?
I never said that and I would appreciate it if you would keep your Straw Man out of this.
Now, I don't care if the guy is a frickin' Jew-hovah's Witness Mormontologist that handles snakes in church and practices polygamy -- as long as he's HONEST about it. What's getting under my skin is the niggling feeling that we're being sold a "bill of goods" and when we open the box on 20 Jan. we'll find out that we got a Doberman when what we ordered was a kitten.
In times of universal deceit, telling the truth gets you modded -1 Troll
"described his transition from being Christian only in name to acquiring a belief system"
Yeah, but WHAT belief system?
Obama is seldom consistent on anything (ex: tax policy, first its 250k, then 200K, then 150K, etc), other than his desire for power. Its the one consistent thread in his political career.
Furthermore, 20 years of sitting in a hate-preaching church without finding it objectionable calls into question Obama fundamental judgement, or else Obama's cynicism (it was politically convenient for him to attend that church for "street cred" after being an Ivy League lawyer and now living in a 1.6 million dollar mansion while his brother lives in abject poverty in Africa and his aunt whoim he mentions in his book is on welfare in Boston).
He has had questionable associations with many questionable people throughout his career, adding up to questionable judgement for somone being elected to the highest executive office int he government. Its worrisome that he may come into office with the shadiest cast of characters since Nixon.
Obama's cynicism is especially evident in the way he treated Rev Wright in the campaign by "throwing him under the bus". This leads one to beleive that either Obama is embarassed by the exposure of his true beleif (bad core beliefs), or more likely, that Obama will do whatever is expedient to get elected (no core beliefs other than his will to power).
Perhaps if you'd quit buying the hype and look at actual words and deeds (Not the promises, and "inspirational delivery" and the grand "idea" that he represents), you'd not excuse the man so much - he is extremely flawed, and will be harmful to the US
McCain is flawed too (those are off topic in this discussion, but are numerous and readily available on the internet), and likewise, McCain if elected will be harmful to the US.
I find it sad that these two are the "best" our political apparatus can come up with.
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That motion is what shows solidarity and commitment to something. Lets put this into perspective that you might understand a little more.
Hopefully, you have had a girlfriend or maybe a wife or perhpaps a boyfriend if you float that way. After years of being together, support your significant other stopped having sex with you and they just didn't put out anymore. They don't act pissed or give an excuse to why, all you know is that you used to get it a lot and now you never get it. Now, what is the first thing that will be going through anyone's mind? Infidelity right? She or they are getting it somewhere else right? Even though that sex between committed couples after a period of time is sometimes just a droned motion that spouses go through to show their significant other that they still love them. Hopefully, your not a stereotypical geek and therefor a virgin and can see whee that is going.
The problem isn't the value of the actions, but what the actions convey to others. This goes further then just the flag or the national anthem too. Lets say you purchased a product that was defective and you wanted to return it under warranty. The store that says "this is a manufacturing defect and you have to take it up with them" compared to a store which takes the item back, replaces it and deals with the manufacturer themselves. It's an insignificant action but it allows you to say something about store's customer service.
Like it or not, your actions say something to other people. Those people have expectations and will form opinions based on their own life experiences and when you do something that makes a statement to them, you either have to address that statement which Obama didn't or you need to accept the opinions people form. Either way, you have to accept that people form opinions over what you call bullshit and they damn well have that right.
Well, no. The administration didn't start the flag lapel thing. That was started by a 911 victims advocacy group. People all across the political isle started wearing them pretty much universally.
And no, it is not jingoism in any way. If you really think that, then you simply haven't been paying attention. The flag lapel started as a means to express solidarity for the victims of 911 and then grew to a symbol of support for our troops in harms way. It has nothing to do with policy itself or any political party itself. You may think the way you do because you saw the administration doing it first or something but that isn't the way it was.
Nnow your just trying to be stupid. A flag is more the a geographical marker, it is the symbol of a living country or ideal. It always has been since well before the US was ever formed. But as you have noted, you are amazed at how many people believe that compared to your beliefs. In a way, you just admited that people have their own opinions regardless of you agreeing with them.
No, it is the same as the wife beater. We are talking about the impresion someone makes on others. He may very well be other wise qualified but people don't believe through his own actions that he is patriotic enough for them to vote for them.
That's fine and all but we are talking about some people. We are talking about someone asking us to make him the president of the United States of America. It's perfectly fine for the kids with no upbringing down the street to do something different. It's perfectly fine for someone who hates America to do nothing, in a free country, that is their choice. But it is also an essential freedom to pull opinions from observations of someone's behavior and whether you like it or not, people have done that in the case of Obama and found him not worthy. Where is the problem other then you don't like people thinking badly of Obama?
Lol.. It doesn't matter that the congress decreed what is respect or not. Those actions have become tradition and people like you and me either follow those traditions or we don't. When we don't people who think they are important form an opinion of us. For some people, it bothers them, for others, it doesn't, but it is their opinion and they have every right to have one. That right is especially important when the person the opinion is about is asking us to elect them to the highest office in the land.
You can be offended at the law being there all you want. The only reason it was brought up was to show that placing your hand over your heart during the national anthem is no fucking secrete that someone forgot to tell Obama. As IICV already pointed out the law says should, not haves to required to or that any punishment is provided if you don't. It's there, patriotic people generally follow it and the tradition and when someone bucks that tradition, it pulls what that tradition represents into question with that person. People took offense because they believe it isn't a silly tradition and that it's important. Now, don't that take all, free people choosing independent thought and not agreeing.