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BBC Brings DRM-Free Content To Linux Users

eldavojohn writes "The BBC is planning to release some of its programmes to users of GNU & Linux. You won't see Doctor Who or Dragons' Den on there anytime soon, but they have been working with Canonical & Collabora on getting this out there for Totem users. The developer blog mentions that the sheer number of options in the open source world actually makes this difficult to accomplish."

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  1. I hope they made the freedom choice. by gnutoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Multiplicity of platform is not a problem for free software, so I'm confused. Every distro is able to use xorg, for example, and people who want to help out go there not to a distribution. If BBC releases free software, everyone else will be able to use it. It's nice of them to dive deeper, but if the backend work to totem is free, I expect it to turn up in my favorite distribution soon. They seem to understand this:

    The whole stack is free software - from URIplay through to Totem, the media player. Some codecs will involve a download, and in some territories (mainly outside the UK) may be restricted, but the underlying framework is free and open.

    The question then, is why they worked with a specific distro rather than upstream. The Totem plugin says it uses Dirac, that's cool.

  2. what is so hard about it? by viridari · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The developer blog mentions that the sheer number of options in the open source world actually makes this difficult to accomplish.

    h.264 video, AAC/AC3 audio tracks, in an MPEG4 container. It'll play on almost anything modern.

    Announce new content via RSS feeds.

    Distribute it via BitTorrent and allow the consumers to foot the bandwidth bill for distribution.

    Until it is this simple and straightforward, you're doing it wrong, BBC.

    1. Re:what is so hard about it? by abigsmurf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      .h264 is an incredibly CPU intensive codec. It would increase the cost of players and make it harder for most mobile phones to cope. Bittorrent is awful for streaming (although I believe there is work on a p2p streaming protocol) and could you imagine bittorrent on someone using a 3G data connection(either a phone or laptop)? It would cost them a fortune.

    2. Re:what is so hard about it? by viridari · · Score: 5, Insightful

      h.264 is handled quite nicely by nearly every Apple product, many new cell phones, modern flavors of Windows and Linux, modern PC's without any additional hardware offloading. Television providers around the world are bracing to switch over to h.264 streaming and I believe some are already there. This is, effectively, the prevailing standard for broadcast quality high definition digital video.

      Sure, BBC can provide a streaming option for those who prefer it. But I'd wager quite a few will opt for downloading the whole show and watching it stutter-free, which also gives them the option to keep it or discard it when done.

    3. Re:what is so hard about it? by Neil · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They are doing it wrong.

      The problem is that they are trying to control the "user experience", as always. The blog doesn't actually say anything about the codecs or transport streams used. It is all about the Totem plugin that lets one browse the list of programmes on offer.

      Dear BBC: Use open formats. Make it easy to get at the files or streams. You will not need to worry about the diversity found in various Linux distributions and different desktop environments - the development communities associated with the various desktops and media players will write all the user interface tools for you!

    4. Re:what is so hard about it? by camperdave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A year from now my 800MHz pentium will still process as if it were an 800MHz pentium, regardless of Moore and his oft-quoted "Law". So the codec will be just as CPU intensive then as now.

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  3. Wha? by JustinOpinion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The developer blog mentions that the sheer number of options in the open source world actually makes this difficult to accomplish.

    I call BS.

    The diversity of options is only a problem if you try to specifically target a particular configuration. Doing so is dumb--In fact I can't think of any good reason to do so. (Hint: DRM is not a good reason.)

    For instance, if you just have a link to a standard media file (e.g. mpeg) that the user can download, then you're done. The user can then use whatever browser they want, with whatever media player they want, and whatever operating system they want. The diversity of options is then the user's problem, not the distributors.

    Invariably these "there are too many options to support" complaints arise because people have ulterior motives in wanting to target the OS/software/format more specifically (DRM, lockin, user tracking, advertising, promoting a particular OS/software/format, etc.).

    (Note that I don't want the negative tone of my post to take anything away from the announcement. It is surely a good thing that they are working to make their shows available to us Linux users. That's great! But if they are truly going with a non-DRM solution, then why the heck don't they just skip the middleman and let everyone just download a simple file?)

  4. Does the iplayer copyrights issue apply to news? by Toffins · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The reason the BBC gave for why it could make its programs available on iplayer for 7 days only was that they didn't own the copyright on the content of the programs, and a period of 7 days was all they could negotiate from the copyright owners.

    I can see how that would apply especially to any programs the BBC uses which were produced using subcontractors who usually put their copyright notices (not the BBC's) at the end of their shows. However, the BBC puts its own BBC copyright notice at the end of all of its current affairs programs such as "Panorama" and "Newsnight".

    Doesn't that imply the BBC owns the copyright to the programs? If so, why doesn't it release all of them on iplayer for longer than 7 days? Programs like Newsnight and Panorama which have a lot of analysis and detailed investigative journalism can remain of interest even long after they are first broadcast. There is a demand for watching those programs much beyond 7 days. So, why the 7 days limit on these programs?

  5. Re:Little new? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Someone needs to invest in an open source DRM mechanism.

    Open source is fundamentally incompatible with DRM.

    Either you have security-through-obscurity (in which case, I can just look at the source code), or you have at least some of the DRM implemented in hardware -- in which case, it's severely crippled your computer and your ability to run arbitrary software, including modified versions of the original "open source" code.

    Which pretty much kills the point of open source. Look at Tivo for an example.

    Not that it's stopped other people from trying...

    if they were the first to create a true secure DRM format,

    That is impossible. DRM, by its very nature, cannot be secured. The more "secure" you get, the closer you get to having a console or a set-top box, instead of a computer -- and it's still not secure, just that much more of a pain to crack.

    they would be free to shape it in a way that is best for consumers whilst still being good for content producers.

    "Best for consumers" means being able to do whatever you want with it, except pirate it. One of the things I want to be able to do with my media is use it on entirely open systems. This is a reasonable request, I think, and it is not itself piracy. However, an entirely open system would by definition make piracy possible.

    And "best for content producers" generally means "not pissing off your customers".

    So, the best for both parties is to abandon DRM. The content producers haven't realized this yet, and you aren't helping the situation by pretending that DRM can work.

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  6. Re:Little new? by Stormwatch · · Score: 4, Funny

    Someone needs to invest in an open source DRM mechanism.

    That's like asking the Red Cross to build a torture device.

  7. Re:Little new? by Xtifr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Encryption, yes, but with DRM, the goal is to provide decrypted data without letting the person in physical control of the machine know how to decrypt it. I can easily provide you with encrypted audio/video files and no key, but that won't be very useful to you since you won't be able to play them. If I want to allow you to listen to/view the files, I have to provide you with the key, so you can decrypt the data. But then it's no longer encrypted (by definition). My only real option at that point is to try to hide the decryption mechanism so you don't know how to apply the key to the data (and may not even know exactly where the key is), and the decryption will only happen behind the scenes, as it were. But if you have the source to the decryption tool, I haven't done a very good job of hiding the decryption mechanism.

    The entire problem with DRM is that it's trying to prevent access by the same people that it's trying to grant access to. If you can't see the inherent contradiction there, I don't know how I can make it any more clear.

    The most secure key system in the world doesn't help you if you need to give the decryption key to the same people that you're trying to encrypt the data against.

  8. Re:amazing! by JohnBailey · · Score: 4, Interesting

    i didn't even know that brits had computers yet. it's fantastic news.

    Yep.. After inventing them, they kinda lost interest..

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