Doom9 Researchers Break BD+

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Posted by kdawson on Saturday November 1, 2008 @06:27AM from the blue-hooray dept.

An anonymous reader writes "BD+, the Blu-ray copy protection system that was supposed to last 10 years, has now been solidly broken by a group of doom9 researchers. Earlier, BD+ had been broken by the commercial company SlySoft." Someone from SlySoft posts a hint early in the thread, but then backs off for fear of getting fired. The break is announced on page 15.

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Obviously, "10" was in binary... by Cyberax · 2008-11-01 08:17 · Score: 5, Funny

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Re:As always with DRM by __aagmrb7289 · 2008-11-01 10:33 · Score: 2, Funny

"Thus DRM is a fool's errand. It always has been. " The purpose of DRM isn't to stop copying altogether - it's to increase the difficulty to the point where the amount of copying is trivial. "Thus DRM sometimes works - and certainly can work. It always has."
Huh, what? by symbolset · 2008-11-01 10:52 · Score: 3, Funny

The purpose of DRM isn't to stop copying altogether - it's to increase the difficulty to the point where the amount of copying is trivial.
... and you're going to claim success for DRM after this insightful observation?
Somebody will be along shortly to mod you funny.

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1. Re:Huh, what? by __aagmrb7289 · 2008-11-01 12:25 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  Do you understand that success can be defined differently by people with different goals? Or is that beyond you completely?
  
  I don't think DRM is successful, when it comes to MY goals. But many of those who are employing it? Yes, I believe their goals are being met.
  
  Would you like to add anything useful to this conversation, or are you just throwing stuff out there to see if anything sticks, oh wise and whatever one.
2. Re:Huh, what? by symbolset · 2008-11-01 13:01 · Score: 2, Funny
  
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  The purpose of DRM isn't to stop copying altogether - it's to increase the difficulty to the point where the amount of copying is trivial.
  I replied to this before, but it was apparently lost. Your answer is here.
  If copying has been made so difficult that the amount of copying is trivial, then why are 1TB SATA drives, 4TB NAS devices and such like moving so fast they don't even shelve them off the skids? Are people making more backups of their photos and email than ever before? Really?
  
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3. Re:Huh, what? by prisoner-of-enigma · 2008-11-01 15:00 · Score: 2, Funny
  
  If copying has been made so difficult that the amount of copying is trivial, then why are 1TB SATA drives, 4TB NAS devices and such like moving so fast they don't even shelve them off the skids? Are people making more backups of their photos and email than ever before? Really?
  
  Don't be absurd. For one thing, copying DVD's has been and continues to be incredibly trivial for anyone to do. With your average flick taking up about 8GB-9GB for a dual-layer DVD, you can fill up a 1TB drive pretty fast. And let's not forget Windows and its voracious appetite for gigabytes.
  But there's a far less nefarious reason why large drives are selling fast: they are cheap. People usually spend somewhere between $100-$200 on storage. Right now, that will buy you a lot of space if you're not all that concerned about speed. Thus, people buy big drives because it's not noticeably cheaper to buy small drives.
  Last, you mention 4TB NAS devices as if every home on the block has one. I can assure you they do not. Such items are hugely popular in businesses but they are next to impossible to find in the common household. You and I may not be common (I have about 8TB online at my home), so citing your own situation hardly validates your point.
  
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Re:As the article says... by Briareos · 2008-11-01 10:55 · Score: 2, Funny

...start reading on page 15,[...]
I only have 9 pages, you insensitive clod!

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Re:As the article says... by aliquis · 2008-11-01 13:18 · Score: 2, Funny

"lol, you don't even trust Sony!?!"
This horse is dead by symbolset · 2008-11-01 15:19 · Score: 2, Funny

For one thing, copying DVD's has been and continues to be incredibly trivial for anyone to do.
And so is downloading HD content from the Internet. And still far more people just drag their external HDD over to a friend's and sneaker net it home. It's quicker and more convenient. One day soon the common man will discover the mysteries of the VPN.
Some people collect lint. Some others collect video and audio content -- far more than they would ever use -- not because they really intend to enjoy it, but oddly enough because they enjoy the practice of collecting and cataloging it. Some of these folks like to show off their collections, share them, and have the latest thing that's not yet generally available.

Last, you mention 4TB NAS devices as if every home on the block has one. I can assure you they do not.
They sure keep a lot of them in stock at Walmart, Frys, Office Max, and every department store I've been in lately. I would think they wouldn't do that for such rapidly depreciating merchandise unless it was moving quickly. Do you have figures? Citation please.

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1. Re:This horse is dead by prisoner-of-enigma · 2008-11-01 15:26 · Score: 2, Funny
  
  They sure keep a lot of them in stock at Walmart, Frys, Office Max, and every department store I've been in lately. I would think they wouldn't do that for such rapidly depreciating merchandise unless it was moving quickly. Do you have figures? Citation please.
  
  Can you not read? You stated 4TB NAS's are flying off the shelves, and you stated it while referring to home-based use of video. The inference you were trying to make is that 4TB NAS's are selling like hotcakes because people are busily filling up their drives with legal (and illegal) content.
  I stated these NAS devices are flying off the shelves not due to average consumer demand but instead because of demand from businesses of all stripes. Small businesses in particular are snapping up NAS units at a record pace. I consult for a living so I see this, but if you want exact figures, Google is your friend. I found this in about ten seconds. There's far more where that came from if you care to look.
  
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2. Re:This horse is dead by symbolset · 2008-11-01 15:52 · Score: 2, Funny
  
  Sorry, the uses you cite don't account for 5% of the volumes I'm seeing. And my reading skills are fine, thanks.
  
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Re:As always with DRM by symbolset · 2008-11-01 17:01 · Score: 2, Funny

I doubt anyone who wants the service has balked at that.

Tech support: Hi, may I help you?
Customer: I'm having trouble with the install instructions. It says I have to plug in some telephone cable thingie.
Tech support: Yes, you plug the telephone cable into the unit. The spot is clearly marked in blue.
Customer: Yeah, like I tried, but I have two cables for the phone. One goes to the wall and the other goes to the PC. Neither one fits.
Tech support: Two cables?
Customer: Yeah, they're for charging. Oh! I have another one for the car... no, the car one doesn't fit in the hole either.
Tech support: Are you using a cellular phone?
Customer: Yeah. That's my home phone.
Tech support: You need to use your land line.
Customer: I don't have a LAN line here. When I get online I plug the PC into the phone.
Tech support: I'm going to have to escalate this to my supervisor. Please hold...

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Denial by symbolset · 2008-11-01 20:58 · Score: 2, Funny

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