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How China Will Use Cyber Warfare To Leapfrog Foes
The Walking Dude writes "A lengthy article published in Culture Mandala details how China is using cyber warfare (PDF) as an asymmetric means to obtain technology transfer and market dominance. Case studies of Estonia, Georgia, and Project Chanology point towards a new auxiliary arm of traditional warfare. Political hackers and common Web 2.0 users, referred to as useful idiots (PDF), are being manipulated through PSYOPS and propaganda to enhance government agendas."
"A lengthy article published in Culture Mandala details how China is using cyber warfare (PDF) as an asymmetric means to obtain technology transfer and market dominance."
And when they've achieved their goals how will they feel when the next superpower does them the same way?
Shai Schticks:"You don't make peace with friends, you make peace with enemies"
I've long had the feeling that many people claiming to be Americans on this board and elsewhere simply aren't. They make the claim in order to make their America bashing sound more like introspection than an outright attack, and therefore more "insightful" than "trolling".
"I know that every word that man just said is true, because it's EXACTLY what I wanted to hear." -- Space Ghost
As opposed to enlightened McCain supporters such as yourself, right?
China practically owns the USA. Their dollar reserve is huge!
If China wanted to destroy the USA, they simply would dump the dollar and financially destroy the USA.
Conclusion; this article is FUD
"Information Warfare" (IW), sometimes called Information Operations (IO), spans several arenas, from the purely technical to the social and psychological. The goals and missions of IO and intelligence in general, particularly against and within non-free societies, will constantly be at odds with the democratic nature of the United States and the West. Even so, the United States currently doesn't appear to acknowledge the scope of the information campaigns China has executed against it. The thought in some circles that China isn't the danger others believe it to be is apparently proof that China's long-standing information campaigns to convince Americans of just that appear to be working quite well. China's motives are strategic rather than tactical in nature; that is, they do not necessarily serve any direct or immediate specific purpose, but rather serve to create influence in its own favor over long periods of time. For this reason, many in the US see China as something of a misunderstood ally, while China simultaneously builds out its military capability.
While cyber warfare is now routinely considered in various analyses of China and other nations, the larger question of why China is so diligently pursuing this path is overlooked. China's activities in this realm are assumed to be part of a natural technological progression. However, a study of literature examining China's efforts in Information Warfare viewed against the backdrop of the importance of the Information Revolution which is sweeping the globe paints a picture of a nation looking to the information realm as a critical and key mechanism to modernize its military capabilities. Similar to how the Industrial Revolution ushered in a new era and greatly enhanced nations' abilities to wage war, the Information Revolution again could change the face of conflict. China's motivations for expanding its cyber warfare capabilities against the United States may transcend that of simple technological evolution, and warrant a deeper examination. Why, then, can China be expected to expand its Information Warfare capabilities, particularly with respect to the United States?
The US Army War College's Strategic Studies Institute encapsulates these findings in one simple thought: to China's leadership, it could mean a pathway to modernization that would obviate the need for costly and time-consuming interim modernization. "IW offers opportunities to win wars without the traditional clash of arms" (Yoshihara 2001). Indeed, China appears to be focused on the notion of such asymmetric warfare. Yoshihara (2001) goes on to explore the current state of Chinese IW and IO philosophy. The focus of Chinese theoreticians appears squarely focused on the possibility of IW offering China a decisive option to defeat a superior adversary by crippling its command and control capabilities. Moreover, Yoshihara (2001) notes that some Chinese military scholars consider the notion of victory without conventional battle; not only via disabling information-based attacks in the electronic realm, but even via more subtle psychological operations (PSYOP) designed to alter and shape an adversary's thinking.
Part of China's motivations for the intense focus on the information realm stems from China's fascination with recent conflicts driven by information. China witnessed the decisive US tactical victory in the Persian Gulf War, and wondered how such practice could be applied by its own military. China is cognizant of the fact that it, too, will be subject to information-based attacks as it becomes more dependent on information-based systems. China's focus is on building a high technology war-fighting machine, with the prospect of skipping costly interim steps to modernize its military capabilities.
Pervasive in the Chinese writing on IW is the notion of shaping the environment to facilitate military objectives; critically, the Chinese "view information warfare as a tool to counter the overwhelming military superiority of the United States" (Armistead 2001). It is this thought
"Useful idiots" in this document is referring SOLELY to the 'patriotic hackers' - ie unofficial pro-China hackers who cheerfully attack anti-Chinese or other targets of opportunity without official support or sanction.
The Useful Idiots that the summary refers to have been around forever: people who are easily manipulated by professional intelligence services without a great deal of effort because they are naive, idealistic, or simply ignorant - such as the Red Army Faction, the German anti-nuke movement, and protests against Reagan in the 80s.
-Styopa
It's a lot easier to perform the manufacturing for a competing country and then just copy their design. It amazes me how naive American companies are when they outsource to China and then are amazed when their products are copied.
What's the deal with tags on the front page? On older stories it's an overlapping mishmash of words that's pretty useless. Does Malda consider this to be a "feature"?
Obama is only "left wing" when you're looking at him from out of Rush Limbaugh's monstrous asscrack. To the rest of the world, he's solidly right-of-center.
I've long had the feeling that many people are claiming to be the only Americans and ignoring the rest of America.
From Alaska to Argentina, we are Americans.
And gringos are just gringos.
The problem is that the lemming general public is unaware of the information warfare that is going on, and will continue to be swayed by it.
If you want to know who to elect, look at the people who are the diametrical opposite of everything you want the US to be, and see what they want:
Venezuela
Russia
Most of Europe
Iran
North Korea
These folks don't want someone who stands up for what's right because they want to do what's wrong and get away with it.
That's why Obama's got sacks of cash from undisclosed overseas sources. That's why there are pro-Obama robocalls coming from Romania. That's why Acorn and the DNC are appealing to "idiots" and criminals in poor communities and prisons to "get the vote out." (By the way, "Educate the Idiots" was the Democratic slogan for a get-out-the-vote campaign aimed at low-income people and high-school dropouts.)
Do you really want a president who's preferred by "idiots", criminals, and hostile foreign governments?
"I know that every word that man just said is true, because it's EXACTLY what I wanted to hear." -- Space Ghost
Answer this : "God damn America !" - McCain or Obama
so lets increase copyright laws and stifle innovation now!!!
We need more laws to through smart people in jail, we have to gouge our people into not affording stuff so we CEO's can then sell ( short term gain ) to the Chinese who will then just loan us cash back when we need it. Yes and then they can tell us later what laws we need more of.
dude, the first post's joke was funnier than yours. Everyone already knows that your glamourization of politics has screwed up your culture, you damn bi-partisan fuck-ups.
Why don't you grow some balls and actually get a real democracy? Then maybe we won't have to listen to your bitching and whining.
I'm aghast in the rise of these spiteful comments over the last couple of days. Do you really think this kind of sniping is going to have an effect on the election, now two days away? I now reside overseas and no longer participate in the American political process, so I've got no dog in this fight, but I'd really like to see discussion fora stay civil even when election day is coming up.
But in a real sense America can use all the bashing it can get. Seriously. Time to wake up. The fact that you think it matters whether criticism comes from within or without is, it seems, proof of this. Speaking in the broadest terms, America (corporately, I don't mean every single individual) has developed a tendency to view everything 'religiously' rather than empirically. There are white hats and black hats, not right actions and wrong actions. There are us and them, not cooperative-minded people and antagonistic people. This underlies everything from teaching non-science in science classes, to voting for people you know are wrong for the job because of the party they belong to, to making social policy decisions on the basis of whether or not they seem too 'socialistic' rather than looking at what effect (positive or negative) they would have, to choosing friends and enemies among other nations without stopping to think about their internal structures and agendas.
So, now, having said that, I'm not an American. Does that make me a troll? Because like most other non-Americans I do not want to be your enemy. But the key point is that the reason I don't want to be your enemy is not, if you will, that I'm afraid of afraid of rabid dogs and I don't want to meet your war machine in a dark alley, but because I'd like to see the world become a better place, and it would be just great if America (which used to hold itself up as a beacon of hope in this regard) would at least join in.
So there you have it. I'm un-American. I'm wearing the black hat. Mod me troll and make me go away. Because, I guess, it's easier than understanding that much of the rest of the world—specifically, those parts of it where we still believe that the political process can work and wars should no longer be necessary—has lost its respect for you as a power.
We've been trying, but it's going to take politicians who actually want what's best for the country to make it happen. Unfortunately, there's a lot of vested interest in having the power structure exactly the way it is.
Very good write up, but repeats itself and occasionally goes off on tangents. The US GPS info is wrong. GPS is not used for communications. L-Band is one way with no receivers on the bird. It (GPS) does cross-link NUDET data, but again, this isn't comm. There also aren't "five alternate constellations." There's just one constellation of 24 satellites. There are 6 orbits, with 4 birds per orbit. As he mentions, if you knock one out, then there is no way you're taking another satellite from another orbit and bringing it over. It would defy the law of physics (aka orbital mechanics) and even if those could be overcome, there's no where near enough hydrazine on the satellite to pull it off. There is a possibility they'd knock one satellite out that had an on-orbit spare nearby, but that would be an exception not norm.
What do you think freepers are? They may be dumb as bricks, but they know how to stay on message and work as a team.
Now they're really starting to lose it as Obama is practically a shoe-in. Expect them to start lashing out in the coming months, online and off-line. Everything from website vandalism to murdering people like that guy in Tennessee.
Jeremiah Wright, who, incidentally, is not running for president.
Please fill in the gap above with the latest buzz-fear word.
You're not an American. Does that make you a troll? No; saying "America can use all the bashing it can get" is the part that makes you a troll. However, it is ever-so-fashionable.
The problem isn't where real, constructive criticism comes from. It's about whether the criticism is constructive. There are a lot of people who just like to hate on the US, and then there are those who are using social engineering to bring the US down from within.
I think it's time to realize what the United States' enemies are up to. We as citizens of the United States must begin to look around and see whether the rhetoric has merit rather than accepting words from authoritative-sounding people -- even if those people have the faces of Tom Brokaw, Keith Olberman, Dan Rather, or even Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert.
These people repeat and amplify the disinformation and propaganda that threatens the society that made them so successful.
I can assure you, tjstork (137384) is a year-round, ultra-right wing, shill. Ditto for pudge (3605).
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no but someone who sat in his church getting brainwashed for years and years is
This is propagandising at worst, fearmongering bullshit at best. Most of the attacks in the second link were unattributed or only loosely attributed to China, the pdf assumes from the start that China is developing asymetrical warfare capabilities then ponders on what they might be. Logically, of course every large nation has some form of cyber warfare capability, it's just that I doubt that China has any real advantage in this sphere.
Pretty brave of them, considering this pit of vipers.
The real problem is that govs like USA have pushed MS in place in SPITE of the security issues. NSA and CIA were REQUIRED by the white house to convert their web site to Windows even though they fought it. In addition, they have not locked down certain tech.
At this time, the western gov MUST create its own secured network that is separate from the internet. In fact, it is already happening. Verizon, ATT, and QWest won a big part of that. It is quietly being extended to certain allies (namely Britain, Canada, Australia, and Israel). It will most likely be extended later to the rest of NATO.
Make no mistake. We are in a cold war with CHina. They are building 2-4 new nuke subs/year. They are about to launch their long march 5 next year, even though they keep claiming 2014 for launch. That is due to a LOT more money in the space program than is widely known. In fact, more money flows there than NASA ever had, because the chinese program is controlled by their military. Even now, they DO have space weapons in place (though so does Russia and USA).
LOL. Anything China does in the military or IT has been done by the US 30-100 years prior. Please save us all the comical anti-US bragging foreigners are so intent on. The Chinese economy is headed to the toilets, so forget your boasts about it ever equaling the US which is comical in itself.
That's good! Please, continue to employ a line of attack that has proven useless every time it's been trotted out. That should do wonders for your candidate's poll numbers!
Sane people tend to take things they hear in church with a grain of salt. I can imagine how that can confuse people on the right end of the political spectrum, however.
Well , i'm not an American , for one.
But i find that in most matters regarding slashdot , nationality is irrelevant.
Anyway , i don't know much about Obama , except that the press here (in Belgium ) likes him , so that means there must be something wrong with him.
Also, the media here hates Mccain , so he can't be all bad.
Slipping shoelaces ?
America and Russia back in the 60's put in place a red phone. It was used for communications between our nations to avoid mistakes with catostrophic consequences. We also opened up our sides to each other to inspect. Neither of us wanted to have a war. More importantly, we both showed a lot of info to each other. It was kept somewhat quiet. Finally, we had spies on each other. What was interesting is that we knew it, and allowed it. In both cases, it was more about systems then little items. It all made sense since it kept us from attacking each other. That is why when the cold war ended, we did help them
Both America and Russia have approach China with similar deals. China will not allow it. We have had to find out on our own about their hidden sub base. They actually bore into an island QUIETLY, and have hidden entrances to it, so as to try and hide their try number of boomers and attack boats. China has tried hard to hide exactly how much money is being spent by their military. More importantly, their spying is not geared towards knowing what the other side has, but trying to obtain the info on the system to implement the same.
China is gearing up for a war. They are not trying to prevent it. This is why totalitarian has issues. There is a small group of ppl who are trying to build a true total world domination.
- politicians
- who actually want what's best for the country
Well, it would make a good example for explaining a mutex locks
Slipping shoelaces ?
Anyway , i don't know much about Obama , except that the press here (in Belgium ) likes him , so that means there must be something wrong with him. Also, the media here hates Mccain , so he can't be all bad.
Such a glorious and insightful way of gauging a potential world leaders acumen. As an American I truly hope you are a leader among your peers.
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The national debt of USA is 10 trillions US $ and grows by 4 billions every day.
From this, China owns 4000 billions US $ in a governement bank somewhere, and this has doubled since 5 years.
The economic victory of China is only a matter of time.
Creatures like Rush Limbaugh can't even be classified along common European political lines but there are some psychological descriptions fitting his demeanour...
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
Why does this kind of tendentious fearmongering regularly make the front page at slashdot?
Every week there's some story about evil Chinese hackers or evil Russian hackers stealing others' secrets. The equivalent stories about evil US/UK/French government hackers doing this are mysteriously absent though. That despite the fact that these countries have larger and much longer established electronic intelligence programs than the Chinese could hope to (Echelon anyone?).
I'll go along with the idea that the electronic intelligence gathering programs of major Governments are a worrying development, though calling this "cyber warfare" and pretending it's somehow qualitatively different from traditional spying seems a little silly. But why is there the pretense that other major governments are somehow less keen to exploit electronic intelligence than the Chinese? The American foriegn policy bias on this site is worrying. If this level of paranoia was directed at the US government there'd be a hundred posts complaining of "anti-americanism", yet I see no posts decrying the "anti-chinese" or "anti-russian" bias of these types of articles. Funny that...
He isn't running for election in Europe or the rest of the world, he is running in the U.S. Only U.S. citizens have a say-so.
It really doesn't matter what anyone else thinks or classifies him or his opponents as.
Gone!
Software Skeleton Keys "People's Liberation Army cyberwarfare units now have the source codes for America's ubiquitous office software, which Microsoft provided to the Chinese government as a condition of doing business in China. This means that they essentially have a skeleton key to almost every networked government, military, business, and private computer in America. But Chinese government hackers do not restrict their operations to U.S. targets." How does having the source code to Office give you access to every networked computer in America?
And that got modded up?
What?
Oh wait, I see, someone is being extra special clever and is now going to point out that "America" != "United States".
That song went out of tune by the end of freshman year. (High school or college, your choice).
I agree that any constructive criticism can be useful, there is an extent to which seeing life here from the inside can add a perspective that is lacking without being here. Yes having distance and objectivity is nice, but so is a more intimate familiarity.
Xavier Rabourdin for president 2012
Team America - Fuck Yeah!
Seriously, it's this kind of mentality that makes me think I'll never move back to the US.
Olberman is doing more to try to fix the US than any of his counterparts. In fact all of those people have more dignity than some others.
Fox news has done so much to damage the new media but some people love it because it's like watching Jerry Springer and it makes news fun and who doesn't want their wars to be fun?
Getting your patriotism and your foreigner hating propaganda from an immigrant owned news media really makes sense. Murdoch only became a citizen so he could own a TV station and fill the airwaves with his cheap trailer trash media. He's everything that his news station tells rednecks to fear and he's becoming rich from it. He's clearly having a laugh at his viewer's expense.
I prefer a president that is preferred AND financially backed by China, Talibahn, North Korea, Al Qaeda, Abramhoff, W, cheney, rove, delay, hastert, Turkey, Pakistan, and Keating. I want a president that is SO dumb that he get's 5th to last in a free ride.
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You are clearly not an American, b/c your criticisms are characteratures of the polar extremes of America that Europeans (not all, just the lazy-thinking ones) love to lampoon and use as examples of American demise to make them feel better about themselves. Few Americans vote party lines (if at all, but that's a different issue), the school boards who put creationism in the science curriculum are quickly voted out of office in the following election (even in Kansas), and I think if you bothered to meet some normal Americans (rather than the party operatives who play ones on TV), you would find that Americans have a very pragmatic approach to everyday life, which includes views on life, business, and policy.
I would also not attach our foreign policy blunders to the collective views of the American people. The administration has consistently been a lone cowboy (pun intended) in this area - very few viewpoints had a place at the table in the last 8 years (even our own secretary of state was sidelined). Many of us lament the moral high ground our country has lost since the end of the cold war because of the lapses in judgment with regards to torture, just war, and diplomacy that a handful of reckless unelected officials with too much power have conducted on our behalf.
It matters in the context of the original poster's comment. According to him, Obama and Hu are ideological buddies. If you'd ask either of them about this, they'd laugh you out of the room.
Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.
Our heavy trade relationship with China is based on the assumption that capitalism leads to democracy. But, what if this is not the case? If we are wrong, we've merely created another Soviet Union. Is there any current evidence that the premise is working? Chinese citizens seem as nationalistic as ever.
Table-ized A.I.
"The administration has consistently been a lone cowboy (pun intended) in this area"
It's easy to blame those in power, but as a nation you voted the fuckers in (or at the very least you let them steal the election without massive Ukraine style protests in the streets), so you do bear part of the responsibility.
It's the old Evil-thrives-where-good-people-do-nothing deal.
"Do you really want a president who's preferred by "idiots", criminals, and hostile foreign governments?"
Bush was voted in twice, so the people have spoken.
So, you're a "black hat" who believes that a political process can work? Sorry, in my experience these two qualities are mutually exclusive discrete humans.
I say that because during the decade that I considered myself a "black hat", part of the deal was that I believed that I was crafting a system of morals to follow unique to myself and my situation, and that if those morals happened to intersect with any law of the land then it wasn't anything more than a bit of luck. Because I had to deny the applicability of "law" to my own decisions, I by definition could not have recognized the authority of any government over me, and therefore could not possibly have supported any potential "political process" that could have "worked".
Also, any black hat I've ever known would have never called itself one.
So let me tell you what *I* see. What I see is a posturing adolescent of some sort, doing that implied superiority thing that most of Europe has been doing since we got Dubya in as president, but who also, by very point of living in Europe, most assuredly lives in a country whos history is a hundred times bloodier, horrific, and longer than that of the US.
Give us time. We'll catch up.
Wow, way to select only the data that fits with your agenda. Actually, a BBC poll found that all 22 countries polled prefer Obama. And a Gallup poll found that only 4 of the 70 countries polled prefer McCain: Georgia, Cambodia, Laos and the Philippines. And then there is this:
The countries most optimistic that an Obama presidency would improve relations [with the world] are America's NATO allies - Canada (69%), France (62%), Germany (61%), United Kingdom (54%), Italy (64%) - as well as Australia (62%) and the African countries Kenya (87%) and Nigeria (71%).
So, where does "most of Europe" fall into the 22 countries polled? And how am I selecting my data to suit my agenda, now that you've properly read my post?
"I know that every word that man just said is true, because it's EXACTLY what I wanted to hear." -- Space Ghost
Yeah, they are really risking life and limb.
When information is power, privacy is freedom.
Guys, you voted Bush back in for 4 more years after it was all out! Don't even try to say that the US populace didn't play a large part in your "foreign policy blunders" - it won't fly.
Oh, but it does, though not directly. But you elected Bush, and see how the attitudes towards the USA has changed in the world since? It was for a reason.
So, when you vote, take that into account as well. It may well be the difference that may start (or prevent) another war.
As one Chinese military expert put it, such an asymmetric information-based attack would render US military forces "blind," "deaf," and "paralyzed" (Cliff 2007). Direct, large scale attacks against US computer and information systems, either via disabling electromagnetic weapons or hacking, would be a part of this attack strategy.
Just so you know, a single high-altitude atomic detonation would create such a powerful EMP, it would fry any and all devices that use unshielded silicon chips. It would throw the victimized country back to an era of vacuum tube technology (assuming the infrastructure is tooled for production).
While such a scenario would be a "bloodless" war, the philosophy of MAD would quickly be put to practice. Given China's accelerated economic development and a billion chinese to look after, I seriously doubt they would walk down this path. As for religious countries with an axe to grind (and a nuke) such as Iran, Israel and Pakistan...we can only speculate their desires for an EMP war. At least two of those three don't have that much to lose. No doubt they would find it nice to level the technological playing field as well.
Life is not for the lazy.
They gave us Kerry and we made lemonade.
The "enemy" sends in the bailiffs.
Want the Chinese knocking on doors all over the US demanding their money back?
If you hate the United States, then stay out of it. It's that easy. Don't ruin it and drag it down for those of us who rather enjoy it here.
"I know that every word that man just said is true, because it's EXACTLY what I wanted to hear." -- Space Ghost
I'm an American. I think a lot of the world is pretty pissed at us because we don't stay out of *there* so to speak.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Actually I know alot of people who seem to believe the party packages. That said I live in California so this may not be indicative of places in the country people have more sense than money.
I think it was meant as a poor attempt at a joke... based on my nick.
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just war
You had me up to this point. The fallacy of the "Just War" in the western world is just that. A story that people in the West don't connect the dots from American projecting their influence through financial or military force into the lives and governments of billions around the world. In turn causing the death and mutilation of 100,000s of innocent people, in Iraq alone.
The fact that only the Islamics have been successful in bring the war back to American shores amplifies the fact that the worlds super-power does a very good job of keeping the worlds population under its control.
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...how the subterfuge and misinformation that China is employing on the internet these days influences our opinions.
For example, did you know that Windows is actually a perfectly secure and stable operating system and that Linux was just invented by the Chinese propaganda mongers to weaken the US dominance in the OS business?
lol niprnet.. how appropriate!
I think this country vs country thinking is old and outdated. It is even irrelevant, when the reality is that we have hundreds of multinational corporations who don't give a frag about borders or nationalities and only look for the biggest profit they can make. They don't care about the borders, only the money.
This should be more than evident in how these corporations have bypassed democracy in most countries and control governments to do their bidding, be it war or copyright legislation to enslave the consumers.
It's easy to blame those in power, but as a nation you voted the fuckers in
This is one of the dumbest statements I've ever read on /. before. If we are to run with your logic, it's safe to say, when you elect your leaders, you know before hand, in detail, every action they will ever make for the entire duration they will be in office.
Obviously that statement is as full of shit and as moronic as your statement. When you learn to critically think, feel free to come back to the table.
And contrary to the bullshit pushed by the press, the election was not "stolen". Learn the facts. People that say it was stolen are ignorant of reality and are simply bitter of the results. Popular vote has never placed a man in the Whitehouse.
Guys, you voted Bush back in for 4 more years after it was all out!
This proves only that the two party system used in the US is completely broken. Period. The public tried to fix it with a Democratic Congress - guess what, it's still the same.
Until the people get tired of the general corruption of politicians and press in the US, we continue to travel the road created by Rome. These days, it's hard to find US press which has even a partially accurate report. The press in the US, for the most part, is as corrupt on the government it self.
So what is your excuse for re-electing Bush in 2004? That you had no idea what he would do in 2003?
In order to even begin to comprehend the issues facing US Videography Lab, long ago, proffered "Battlespace Videography", where we are all vidiots . . . "useful idiots". So it is no surprise to us that China is capitalizing on cyber intelligence and warfare. The Chinese are skilled in the field of visual anthropology, which we know well. Visit www.videographyblog.com to understand how we are currently immersed in "the age of videography". Only the brainless believe that videography is just about using video cameras.
YOU have a govt that want slife in prison for music tunes and movies and tc watching.
AND whats china after?
dont they alrady make like everything?
What tech then need , how i put underwear on in morning?
(1) Many Americans resent the constant lecturing by foreign people. Sure, you can say "you need it", but just think for a minute about how much you resent a boss who never has anything good to say, and only stops by your office when he's there to complain about you. Eventually, you tune him out and resent him. Many Americans feel that way about foreign diatribes.
(2) While I generally disagree with the Bush doctrine, I happen to resent the way the world acted over recent historical events. I remember the foreign press attacking Bill Clinton by claiming that the strikes in Sudan and Afghanistan were merely an attempt to distract the world from his affair with Monica Lewinsky. I particularly resented that. I also resented the way that so many people jumped onto the claim that the invasion of Afghanistan was simply done to build an oil pipeline. (And even if you disagree with the invasion of Afghanistan, that doesn't mean you can't resent the way the "oil pipeline" was used as a way to demonize the US. But, we're getting used to being demonized by foreigners. Wasn't that the central theme of your post? That America is stupid?) In both of those cases, I feel that the foreigners and the foreign press is on a hunt for things to complain about - and that results in both resentment and a willful desire to ignore everything you have to say.
And, by the way, when you say "those parts of it where we still believe that the political process can work and wars should no longer be necessary", are you referring to your own European country, which very likely has troops in Afghanistan? And when you say "the political process works" are you referring to the standoff Saddam had produced in Iraq - one which foreign nations had no mechanism to break? (Which, by the way, France and Russia were pushing to end sanctions all-together without resuming weapons inspections.) Or are you referring to the way that the "political process" fixed the situation in Kosovo? Or the "political process" that fixed the situation in Darfur and Rwanda? In other words: if you truly believe wars don't work, then you're speaking your own personal opinion, not the opinion of your nation collectively. And, if your nation believes that collectively, then I think you've been under the protection of the American military for too long to realize how naive that idea is.
Sigh, it is quite unfortunate that just because one nation rises, it must usually have a very nasty war to get to the top. But this truly is the nature of things, I suppose.
So, operating under the unfortunate assumption that the US and China will be enemies, we must build India. It is out only chance to have a decisive advantage. India + USA + Europe will beat China + Russia(?) + (portions of) Africa(??). Maybe we can get the Brazilians on our side for good measure.
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You mean like how Microsoft keeps innovating instead of copying others to ... er... never mind.
Oliver.
I would also not attach our foreign policy blunders to the collective views of the American people. The administration has consistently been a lone cowboy (pun intended) in this area - very few viewpoints had a place at the table in the last 8 years (even our own secretary of state was sidelined).
I'm not American either and I agree with the GP. I don't know who else to blame BUT the American people. I know lots of Americans and have lived there and travel there a lot for work and holidays - most of the Americans I know are utterly embarrassed by the state of the country (my aunt is so horrified she has been volunteering and donating a LOT of her time for Obama because she believes he's the only chance to save face and get out of the woeful situation the US is in now).
I can't quite reconcile how every American I meet though is hideously embarrassed by Bush, with the fact that he got another four years. So I have to blame the American people that I haven't met, of which there are quite a lot. My aunt likes to quote me to her friends when I told her "Americans just suck at voting".
Hopefully the US voters do a better job next time around (ie, this week :)
I'd like to completely not care about what happens in the US election. But it shapes the entire world because of the way you carry on in foreign policy. Sadly my country (Australia) has hitched our little red wagon to the US in a lot of ways - hopefully we can break the habit before it is too late.
An electromagnetic weapon, such as an E-bomb, doesn't imply only an above-ground nuclear detonation for the purpose of creating an electromagnetic pulse -- though that is often the first thing that comes to mind. Nor does it even imply a bomb or explosion.
You can also have directed energy weapons that disable electronic gear on a much smaller scope and scale (say, a naval vessel). This is the kind of attack we're talking about -- not a nuclear detonation.
That's not to say the US still wouldn't respond with overwhelming force; but if other command and control functions are also similarly degraded, it would give China valuable time to position itself as it desired.
It's a tad unfair to call those of us a few thousand miles away from you "lazy-thinking" just because we don't fully understand all the nuances of American politics. I think you have to agree that media is the primary source of information for most of us these days - and unfortunately America's portrayal of itself through media that it largely owns (including forums such as this) is of a country whose citizens are religious zealots, xenophobes, and that the "Team America, fuck yeah!" quote from one of the posters above is pretty representative.
I'm lucky, I do know better, but only because of daily contact with real folks. Most of us do not have that luxury, just as most Americans have no knowledge of the reality of European affairs and thinking.
In Europe we are guilty of attaching the foreign policy blunders made by governments to their citizens - that is after all democracy. I guess we'll know tomorrow whether the establishment which drove these policies has the support of the average American or not.
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Well, that is part of the problem, isn't it? We have allowed ourselves to become sheep in this country. We have bought the 30 second snippets on the news. We really thought it would be so much better to have a mad in the president's office that would be nice to have a beer with, instead of finding someone intelligent to put in. We voted for intolerance, and filled the White House with people who refuse to talk with anyone who disagrees with them, and who approach scientific arguments by making conclusions, and then finding research that supports those conclusions, which is a rather silly way to do scientific research! We have allowed our rights to be slowly taken away in the name of security, and so we have lost both. I will be somewhat surprised if the people here on slashdot act with any kind of surprise at this article. China has been at this for quite some time. There is no news here really, though it is important information to get out. THis is a new kind of warfare. AFter all, what is the first step in warfare? You take out command and control centers! So imagine an attack on a country that could take out phones, internet, banking, trains, travel, news media, and maybe even be able to keep the government offices from communicating with each other, including the military! What a huge first strike, and you can do it without even launching one plane, or firing one missile. One problem for the U.S. as opposed to our potential enemies. The ability to launch such an attack requires the use of many computers all over the world. I can imagine there are some real constitutional problems with us doing this, but our enemies have no such problem. So instead we are developing responses.
Dude....just face it, American politics suck, just like the rest of the worlds politics suck...no matter what country you are in....sorry to burst your bubble.
I was not defending American politics. They do indeed suck. I was pointing out that the Americans people are much more nuanced than how the GP described them. The biggest problem is apathy. So few Americans bother to vote; it's no wonder many of our politicians are not representative. I would also remind you that Bush's incompetency is somewhat of an anomaly as US presidents go. Clinton, Herbert Walker, Reagan, even Nixon and Ford, had much more intellectual and competent administrations (abuses and corruption aside). Even Carter managed to redeem himself. I don't see that with Bush.
to this kind of asymmetrical warfare. If China cripples the US economy with information warfare, or even by ceasing to by US debt, then the US loses the ability to buy cheap Chinese crap. If no cheap Chinese crap is bought, the peasants get restless and start doing things like protesting in Tiananmen Square, which is what happened the last time the Chinese economy was doing anything but growing by leaps and bounds.
Given a situation in which the United States and China and Europe are going through rocky economic times, which government is most likely to fall and whose society to fall into utter chaos? I would say China's.
Unlike America or Europe, civil society and non-governmental organizations are strongly repressed in China, because they represent a challenge to the CCP's power. In free societies, however, they augment the government's power and can function even if something happens to the top leadership in the government. In China, the instant the soldier stops point a gun at everyone, everything turns Malthusian. Given enough unrest, even in China you arrive at a point where there are not enough soldiers to go around and point guns at everyone.
So in the end I rather suspect these kind of "asymmetrical" weapons will turn out to be boomerangs.
Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.
the "human idiots" pdf actually uses the term, "hacker war."
hack the planet!
I concur on your points, I just am tired of hearing Americans saying their country is IT
when you can clearly see as much corruption, and vote manipulation, and political BS
to cover up any said investigation into these realms. I do see the American politicians as being the Romans of our times....able to pull the wool over their people's eyes, without the people noticing they are blind...maybe they used a hat that had pictures drawn on the inside of it....
I hope you feel I hate Americans, far from it, I hate American politicians, especially Bush, and Obama, being the first to bring to the forefront a new age (black and Muslim president of the US)
this would be great to show the Americans are truly a free country...however hearing that there was an assassination being planned, I fear that this could set back the US 50 years in politics and racism.
Typo...I hope you DON'T fell I hate Americans....very big typo on my part!
No; as a matter of fact I live here. And sure, every American you ever meet says (when talking to a European, who knows what they say in private) "well, I never voted for Bush." But 51% of them must be lying, right?
Yes; we made all our mistakes a century before you, and are doing rather better now, thanks. In Britain, we abolished slavery before you even had your revolution, did you know that? You don't hear about it much just because we never tried to base an economy on it.
But wrong on every other count thereafter. You are following very pattern I was speaking of: you hear what I say, conclude that I'm not part of your faction, and leap from this to the conclusion that what I say is better ignored. As it happens, I live in the States at present, have several decades' experience in different parts of the world, and have a tolerably well-informed view that this place is a rat hole compared to what it could be, what it ought to be, and what it thinks it is. As I said, wake up.
I never voted for Bush." But 51% of them must be lying, right?
39% are lying about whether they voted at all. Only about 32% of eligible voters voted for Bush ( 51% of 61% of eligible voter turn out). But, that's beside the point. I was not refuting our responsibility as citizens to elect public servants who represent our views. I was pointing out that your characterizations of Americans' "tendency to view everything 'religiously' rather than empirically," was depicting a small (although, over represented in the media) sliver of the American public.
Oh gosh, some one with mod points felt his heroes were falsely accused!
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
perhaps it's time to think about how those 'funny Europeans' got those ideas in the first place. Smoke, fire, etc.
For a country that seems to subsist mainly from marketing you have managed to ruin your image in the rest of the world quite well. (Yes, another caricature. Perhaps you should read something into the fact that those bloody, non-native english speaking Europeans, speak English just as wel as you do, too?)
Oh. I'm sorry. I shouldn't be putting you all into on basket. It's all Bush's fault. 'You' voted Bush into office. The first time, that was a mistake that could be labled as such. The second time... Well, suffices to say that you can't complain about impressions Europeans have of Americans. You brought it onto yourselves. I hope 'you lot' vote in Obama tomorrow. Not because he's better than Mc Cain, but because the rest of the world in majority sees him as better. Consider it a PR offensive.
Lament the behaviour of your governement all you want. Don't lament 'Europeans' for their lack of respect for you, change our view by being better again.
I'm getting of my high horse again, but I'll mount it any time if you keep up this crap of blaming 'your governement' for all the shit the US has been pouring all over the world in the name of 'justice'. You're also blaming our governements for being socialistic, not supporting you in Iraq, etc etc etc. You lot _are_ to blame. You should have voted Bush out 4 years ago.
Karma? What's that again?
Ce sont les tonneaux vides qui font le plus de bruit.
where he ponders the implications of using traditional military force to take out a zombie machine that is being used to infiltrate or DoS attack a critical military system. That could really suck.
As an American myself I condone this behaviour
Je pense que c'est impoli d'user des langue etrangere au /. meme sur, votre publique est tres reducer.
Translations:
Literally "It's the empty barrels that make the most noise." You can probably make out what that means.
My reply: "I think it's rude to use strange languages on /. besides, your audience is greatly reduced."
Disclaimer: neither English, nor French is my first language.
Karma? What's that again?
You are selecting data to suit your agenda by saying that "hostile foreign governments" prefer Obama when, in reality, almost all polled countries prefer Obama. And a higher percentage of people prefer Obama in countries which are America's NATO allies than in countries from your list.
I'm not sure what you're asking in your first question. The details are in the linked articles, so you can find your answer there.
There were protests.
There were also large-scale violations of rights; "free-speech zones" as well as severe police brutality. To add insult to injury, our rightwing media kowtowed to the bush regime, abusing the free speech rights of others while opportunistically using their own; not to mention their government-granted monopolies of the public airwave resources. The media gave almost no coverage of these protests - and purposely distorted the scale and content of them. As the rightwing newsmedia has done, in the US, since before 1968.
Yes, 60-million bad-apples voted Bush into office in 2004, after seeing a clear demonstration of his fascistic policies. But there are 240 million OTHER Americans. Some of them voted in 2004, a lot of them sat on their asses. But a lot of those actually got off their asses in 2008. As ashamed of my ignorant, fearful countrymen I was in 2004, I'm actually proud and encouraged in 2008.
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