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Discuss the US Presidential Election & Education
In 24 hours, many of you will be able to vote. So as we come down to the wire, this is really our last chance to talk about the issues. We've already discussed Health Care, the War, and the Economy. Today I'm opening up the floor to discuss education. Perhaps no other issue will matter more in 50 years. Which candidate will make the next generation smarter?
Obama is the right choice. New fresh ideas are needed now, more than ever....
Honestly. McCain is all about mud slinging and Obama is all about Change. Whether either of them can pull it off is up in the air, but the person that i'm voting for is the person working on real issues.
Obama 08.
GOP doesn't deserve another term. Not not, now for a long time. Not till they tell the religious fanatics to f off.
This election is probably the most important one I'll ever see in my lifetime. The fight is between special interests and society as a whole.
I've been telling people since the start of the race for candidacy that Obama would win because he has the superior machine. But his "machine" is people, organized in smart and flexible ways, largely thanks to the web and what it offers.
To some extent this fight matches the fight between Anonymous and Scientology.
People do not get smarter because they get the right education. This helps but it's not enough. They get smarter because they live and work in more diverse groups, because they have access to knowledge and information, because they can argue, because they don't follow dogma and ideology, but only the merit of social accuracy. We don't need an ideology to know that the Bush regime were a gang of thieves. But when the thieves run everything from the security infrastructure up to the courts, and back down to the vote counting itself, nothing less than a revolution can put things right.
And this is revolution. Quiet, polite, like Americans are. But it's real, it's powerful, and it's going to succeed unless there is a coup.
The outcome of this election proves to the world that the Americans were mainly victims, not supporters, of the Bush junta. It is as important a victory as the ending of WWII and the chasing away (by Americans, for a large part) of another ugly elite of vicious thugs and thieves.
It's been especially heartening - for a European - to see America confront its racism, intolerance, and fractionalism, and turn that into a mass movement for something better.
As for the education system itself... time to move away from the industrial world and into something more suitable for 2008. Mix kids of different ages, give them more freedom to learn in projects online, bring education into the digital age and merge it with digital business and lifestyle.
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If it doesn't kill people, Mccain doesn't support it.
McCain will be the one that will make all smarter. At least, if you manage to survive his government, you definately will be smart (or very lucky, in the Teela Brown way).
For he can't interpret he real ads out there. Obama is slinging the mud as fast or faster then McCain, it's just hte MSM covering for him. And McCain is apoligizing for the ads that are bad and by people he can't contrl. Obama just waves his hand and "they don't matter", but never calls for them to stop.
No, the parent of this post is not evaluating reality, so mod him down.
Such events did not happen. I understand weak minds desire to hold on to excuses for a long time, but you're really stuck in the old news category here.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo.
Yeah, and if we elect a Democrat they can take social programs that they will make 1950s Poland look like a capitalist democracy. We hear the same bullshit from both sides and, frankly, it's old.
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Huh? No one is saying anything remotely close to that. Maybe if you didn't build your arguments on false premises, you'd actually understand what "the ideologues" are trying to say. Enjoy your vote for Strawman '08.
Fine, but Caribou Barbie's idiotic stance on abstinence only sex ed ought to disqualify her if nothing else does.
Heck, her own child is a poster child for why THAT doesn't work. The irony of it is so hilarious it is hard not to laugh out loud.
But in the end, it all comes down to money.
Unless you make $250k/year, you aren't rich enough to be a Republican, because you will be paying for all the tax breaks that the Republicans give the super rich.
That is the "Real" Republican agenda. All their talk about small government is a joke. Look at the data, every single Republican president in the last 40 years has grown government far more than the Democratic presidents have. Every single one has had higher budget deficits. All the things Republicans claim they do better (fiscal conservatism, small government) they actually do WORSE.
Signed, a Recovering Republican
"There are laws that enslave men, and laws that set them free. " - Sean Connery as King Arthur
Sadly, given the current make up of our population, all this does is give the Republicans a reasonable chance to win every election because the ignorant 'hicks in the sticks' get more of a vote than the educated 'city slickers'.
I say this as one of the educated 'hicks in the sticks'.
It's no coincidence that the most educated states are the most Blue and the most ignorant are the most Red (approximately). You'd HAVE to be ignorant to vote against your own self interest as often as the Red state populations have.
Sorry, but look at the data.. .this is merely the economic facts...
"There are laws that enslave men, and laws that set them free. " - Sean Connery as King Arthur
There's no way I'd ever vote for Obama. When I found out he was actually for the torture of school children well that made up my mind. (Long story short Obama is for forced foreign language education regardless of result. I went through that shit college and for me it was literally torture and the school has yet to apologize for it. No, I'm not confusing literal and figurative btw. For some victims of this scheme this will literally be torture too.) Not that I feel any better about McCain. (I mean I doubt he's big on science education.) The only bright point is the election will be over soon. (It will be over, right? Oh crap, it's going to the supreme court isn't it?)
If Obama is elected with enough democrats in congress we won't last 50 years. We will be impoverished and enslaved by our own government, and too weak militarily to withstand an invasion by Monaco.
Why are people not seeing that this man wants to destroy a free USA?
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