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GFDL 1.3 Is Out, Allows Migration To CC

David Gerard writes "Version 1.3 of the GNU Free Documentation License is out (FAQ). This license is little-used, except on the #8 site in the world: Wikipedia. And this version includes special provisions to re-license wiki-based content from GFDL to the much simpler Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license 3.0, as requested by the Wikimedia Foundation. Wikipedia plans to hold a public consultation process to decide whether and how to migrate to CC-BY-SA. The discussion is already running hot and heavy."

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  1. Bewildered by Linker3000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Am I the only one bewildered by the sheer number of different GNU/FOSS/Whatever-the-right-term-is licences in a field that strives for compatibility and standards?

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    1. Re:Bewildered by tmk · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually these licenses are an huge improvement. BEfore GFDL arrived nearly every software product had a different licence. And not two were compatible.

    2. Re:Bewildered by _merlin · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's also a community based on the premise that you have a right to "fork" things. Given that, it's hardly surprising that people invent their own licenses.

    3. Re:Bewildered by jonaskoelker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Before GFDL arrived nearly every software product had a different licence.

      Wouldn't that be the GPL you're talking about? The GNU FDL is the license meant for doc, not src.

      The general public license is a license that takes the ideas of the Bison public license, the Emacs public license plus some others, and puts those ideas into one license. The FSF then changed the licensing of Bison/Emacs/???/Profit to use the GPL rather than the [BE?P]PL.

      And the GPL is a good thing. The problem is that we've been going back to the old days. Instead of emacs and bison, we have the Linux public license, the ZFS public license, the Apache public license, the Perl public license, the Python public license and the Firefox public license.

      [Some of names have been changed to indict the guilty ;)]

      Even if only counting the FSF licenses, we have a large amount. It means the compatibility matrix is huge, and entries can only be accessed in polynomial time by lawyers.

  2. Important question... by abigsmurf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why bother with this licence at all? Why not just use creative commons? Are there any notable, useful differences or is the licence trying to spread some GNU brand recognition through association?

    1. Re:Important question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Wikipedia was started before Creative Commons existed. The only good free text licence at the time was the GFDL. All content on Wikipedia is thus currently GFDL licensed.

      The 1.3 update to the GFDL allows for Wikipedia to switch to Creative Commons if it so wishes.

      So, GNU is the good guys here.

  3. I'm confused by Chrisq · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It seems to say that you can now use FDL 1.3 licensed documents under CC-BY-SA 3.0, but only if it was on a wiki before 01 Nov 2008.

    Since the license was released on 03 Nov 2008, you would not have been able to put a document on a wiki before then. So is this a reward for people who broke the licensing agreements, an amnesty or what?

  4. Why not? by sowth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The GFDL is based on the narrow politics of the FSF, while CC was created to allow people to choose what restrictions they want on their work.

    I'm not sure the wholesale changing of license under author's noses is great, but if they wrote in the GPL suggested "version x or later" clause, well...they agreed to it already. Which is why I don't like giving other people blank contracts. I probably wouldn't have minded if I had donated something as GFDL, but the implications are scary. Said clause gives them permission to do just about anything. Few people I would trust this way.

  5. It even _sounds_ simpler too! by g253 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I mean, try and explain to someone that your work is covered by the GNU Free Documentation License 1.3! That just souns silly and verbose.

    Much simpler to just say "oh, you know, it's under a plain old Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license 3.0".


    (I'm kidding, I actually consider this important, it's just that catchy names isn't FOSS' people strongest point ;-)

    1. Re:It even _sounds_ simpler too! by Jugalator · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, I like the CC name as it quite clearly describes what it's providing. That it's OK to share if you provide attribution and share under the same terms as the liecnse.

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  6. My take. by apathy+maybe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I haven't looked at this new version of the GFDL yet, but previous versions were simply too complicated for my purposes. I'm not publishing a book, I don't need to worry about front and back covers etc.

    I refuse to use CC licences at all either. Which licence? You can use this under the CC licence? Which one? The BY-SA-UK version 1.2 one. The what? Exactly.

    Not to mention, in some of the licence terms (depending on which country I think), there are non-free restrictions. For example, not allowed to use the text to libel or some such.

    Creative Commons encourages people (both "creators" and users) not to read licences, not to know that their rights are, and generally be ignorant.

    What do I do instead? Something simple. Something like:

    Copyright 2008 apathy maybe
    You are free to use and modify this work, for any purpose, in any medium with the following condition.
    This entire licence text is retained and applies to any copy and/or modification.

    I get across the point that I want my work to be used, but only on the condition that the copyright line stays, and that downstream viewers of the work have the same right to use and modify the work.

    And that is all that is needed for the vast majority of things that I have ever "published" (including photographs).

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  7. that's part of the point of this relicensing by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Informative

    Basically, Wikipedia was GFDL'd because the GFDL existed at the time. Since then, cc-by-sa has gotten a lot more momentum everywhere else, so it would be nice to move to it so content can be reused between Wikipedia and the many cc-by-sa books, websites, etc. that come out frequently.

    The other reason is that the GFDL was designed for software manuals, so some of its technical requirements are highly impractical. You must reprint the entire GFDL text, which is several pages long, with any reuse. Fine if you're reprinting a book of 5,000 Wikipedia articles. But if you just want to print one on a flier, do you have to attach a pamphlet containing the GFDL text to every copy of the flier? And where the hell would you fit the list of all the article's authors, in the "History" section the GFDL requires you to maintain? Cc-by-sa has generally much more reasonable reuse requirements for all of this.

    1. Re:that's part of the point of this relicensing by David+Gerard · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The other issue is that no-one understands the GFDL. Not even the FSF. Really - you email licensing@fsf.org with a GFDL query, you will get back a response, three months later, saying "read the license text and consult with your attorney." Our attorney is Mike Godwin and it makes even his head hurt.

      The FSF have given up making any sense of the license, so we can hardly be expected to.

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  8. on purpose to protect existing GFDL authors by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is basically a special-case clause to let Wikipedia get out of the GFDL and relicense itself to cc-by-sa, because the GFDL turns out to be highly impractical for Wikipedia and especially for any meaningful reuse of its content.

    The date clause is designed to prevent someone from using this as a way to relicense all GFDL content that has ever been created, by laundering it through Wikipedia. Since you didn't know about this license until too late, you can't now go take a GFDL software manual, paste it into Wikipedia, and say this allows you to relicense it. Since people who wrote manuals years ago were not expecting to have their work relicensed in this way, the FSF felt compelled to avoid that outcome.

    1. Re:on purpose to protect existing GFDL authors by Teancum · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I disagree that the GFDL "turns out to be highly impractical for Wikipedia" or "any meaningful reuse of its content"

      This is just a bunch of people who are religious zealots about the Creative Commons licensing suite who are upset that they can't just re-license the content of Wikipedia into whatever other content license they choose, and hate the viral nature of the Free Software Foundation license suite.

      The politics of this simply turn my stomach, even if there are some "legitimate" issues about the GFDL that do need to be worked out. Switching licenses, I don't believe, resolves the issues here and instead creates even more heartburn.

      Furthermore, one of the reasons I contribute to Wikimedia projects is because they are licensed under the GFDL, and I support the general goals set forth by the Free Software Foundation for this sort of content.

      Like I said, there are problems with the GFDL, but throwing it away just because a small group (and it is a very small group of individuals pushing to make this change) doesn't like the Free Software Foundation. Unfortunately this small group making this change also have some prominent positions within the WMF.

    2. Re:on purpose to protect existing GFDL authors by geniice · · Score: 3, Informative

      While it is technically true that most of the problems of the GFDL could be fixed by improving the GFDL and creating the GSFDL the FSF has shown little inclination to do this. Remember 1)GFDL is not a free license (it contains rather a lot of invariant sections as well as deliberate ones) 2)It is unusable for images in many contexts. Postcards say. 3)even for text it is highly problematical using GFDL text with a computer program is not easy. This is not a case of CC supporters trying to knock the FSF. In fact a number of the supporters of this move either dislike or do not entirely trust CC. The problem is the FSF has proven either unable or unwilling to produce a viable free content license with the result that a switch to CC-BY-SA has become the only reasonable choice.

  9. that's not why this change is being made by Trepidity · · Score: 2, Informative

    It really is a practicality problem for "meaningful reuse of its content". If you have to staple the entire text of the GFDL to a short article that you hope to print on a flier, you effectively can't reuse that article on a flier. What's more, no reuser can be confident that they're even doing it legally, even if they're willing to take heroic measures. The FSF will not say what the GFDL means as applied to Wikipedia. What is the History section? What is a derived version? What is the Title Page? When it says maintain the history section, does that mean you have to include on every redistributed copy the entire wiki edit history? If so, that surely limits the practicality of reuse.

    In any case, I've been one of the people pushing for reuse (though I have no particular position in the WMF, and have not been actively involved), and I'm a strong proponent of the FSF. I like the GPL and LGPL lots, and recommend them as best-choice free-software licenses. But that doesn't mean everything they touch is golden.

    As for your allegation that people supporting this change "hate the viral nature" of the GFDL, that wouldn't make any sense--- this relicensing is to another viral license. This isn't a relicensing to just any Creative Commons license you want to pick, but specifically to the Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike (cc-by-sa); the "share-alike" part is a viral copyleft clause.

  10. Just want to point out.. by sleeponthemic · · Score: 2, Funny

    The hard and heavy discussion contains not even a slipped nipple. Suggest looking elsewhere for erotica.

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  11. Re:an original error by David+Gerard · · Score: 2, Informative

    I understand RMS threatened to do a GNUpedia unless Nupedia adopted the GFDL. [citation needed, I don't have it to hand]

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  12. "Stallman is hard to deal with" by br00tus · · Score: 3, Insightful
    For years we here how hard Stallman is to deal with, supposedly. How it is all about him and he is egotistical etc.

    Wikipedia is the crown jewel of GFDL. But - GFDL was really originally written to deal with technical documentation to accompany GPL software, not to deal with content on wikis etc. But it seemed like a good license when Wikipedia started so they used it. There is also a lot of Creative Commons content out there that Wikipedia wants to work with, and the GFDL provisions made working everything together difficult.

    So what does Stallman do? He magnaminously allows the crown jewel of using GFDL to move towards the CC world, if Wikipedia wants. Can we imagine Microsoft, or SCO or proprietary licensed software companies doing this? No. And it is helping the digital commons community, although from now on Stallman and the FSF will not being getting kudos for the license for Wikipedia content from now on, because Stallman was so gracious about it.

    There is a difference between holding to your principles, and being stubborn just for the sake of ego or whatever. Stallman has always held to his principles regarding freedom. But here is an example of him working with others, and being flexible, to help the greater cause of the digital commons. I have to read for years about how inflexible Stallman supposedly is, here is an example to the contrary. Because Stallman is flexible, he is only inflexible about his principles and about freedom.