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Craigslist Agrees With State AGs To Curb "Erotic Services" Ads

The New York Times reports that Craigslist has reached an agreement with 40 state attorneys general to tame its notoriously unruly "erotic services" listings. Clever diplomacy: according to the article, Craigslist "said that it will charge erotic services vendors a small fee for each ad — about $10, Mr. Buckmaster said — and require that they use a credit card for the payment. It will donate the money to charities that combat child exploitation and human trafficking. This, theoretically, will let the company confirm not just a phone number but also an identity." I hope they work on cleaning the weird spammers from the ordinary personal ads, too.

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  1. "I hope they work on cleaning the weird spammers" by hxnwix · · Score: 5, Funny

    Amen. The spammers from the ordinary personal adds are really dirty and urgently require cleaning of any kind. You'd think these guys are allergic to showers...

  2. back on the streets by opencity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Putting hookers back on the streets is good why?
    This will just push the pros into the personals, though if Craigslist starts charging for personals as well they'll make a lot more money.

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    Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it.
    1. Re:back on the streets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's exactly why Craigslist created the ERS section--because they realized they couldn't eradicate prostitution ads from the site, so the next-best solution was to corral it into a section where it wouldn't bother anybody who wasn't interested. And that worked.

      So...what does this accomplish? The pro's will move back into the personals, or into "Casual Encounters" or "Adult Gigs." They won't post in ERS, since their whole strategy is to slam ERS with as many ads as possible to keep theirs on the front page, and they're sure as hell not going to pay $10 per ad. Which raises the question: Who *will* post in ERS, if not prostitutes? Isn't this creating a fiction similar to the "non-prostitute escorts"?

      These ads have been in newspaper classifieds since time immemorial, and they've been on Craigslist since its inception. This strategy won't drive them off. It just upsets the compromise that, frankly, had been working (eve for law enforcement, who could easily surf ERS to set up a quick sting on a slow week).

      PS--Will this new "fee" will apply in areas where prostitution is legal (e.g., Rhode Island, parts of Nevada, maybe San Francisco)?

    2. Re:back on the streets by zappepcs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What is wrong with the whole damned thing is this: prostitution is illegal, even though there are no victims for this crime, and I don't care what you think about how there is illegal activity all through the sex industry, it would not be nearly as prevalent if it were a legal business for which folk could lose their license if they were doing bad things.

      Because it remains illegal, this sort of problem will plague online sites and newspapers etc. You can't get rid of it, can't keep it in a special section, can't clean it up. All those problems would be easy to deal with if it was licensed and legal.

      This is just one of the places that government could tax and regulate to ensure a better public health, a safer society, and aid in decreasing or eliminating personal income tax.

      Regulating morality does NOT work. Legislating a prohibition never has worked, especially on things that are victimless crimes.

    3. Re:back on the streets by QCompson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Prostitutes are almost always victims in several reguards.

      So are minimum wage workers. What's your point?

    4. Re:back on the streets by zappepcs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Pardon the pun, but morally speaking, there is more than one section of society which is in a bad place. If prostitutes had a legal standing their position would be a much better one. Lets not forget that the prostitutes you seem to be thinking about did not have the advantage of working for Heidi Fliess. Sex for trade or sale is as common as muck, most of it is simply covered by a marriage license. Argue all you wish with that, but it is true. It's only when partners change and money changes hands that anyone gets upset. Oddly, the people who get upset are those that would not be in the business anyway.

      Most victimization of prostitutes is a direct result of the legality of their situation. If you could report your pimp for not paying you the agreed amount without going to jail, many problems would solve themselves regarding victimization. It is sad to see, but the LAW victimizes them as much as anything else.

    5. Re:back on the streets by QCompson · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Get real. Minimum wage workers in most places don't have to put up with being beaten on a regular basis, not to mention risking their life on daily basis to do their jobs.

      I don't have numbers to back up how many craigslist prostitutes get "beaten up on a regular basis" and I bet you don't either.

      In any case, coal miners risk their lives on a daily basis, and workers in such dangerous jobs often get paid more to risk their lives. Kinda like prostitutes.

    6. Re:back on the streets by zappepcs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      On the sex and marriage part? Tell me what woman has not used sex to gain some advantage? Yeah, Mother Theresa doesn't count! I know a guy who makes a good deal of money, has a mistress, and a deal with his wife: sex and a hummer once a week, and she can have all the money she needs for her kids. That's true, not made up. I think you are probably naive if you believe marriage is sacred, and nothing bad happens in marriages. The divorce rate in the US is what? 50+ percent? Yep, that speaks volumes for how great marriage is.

      For those who read the other post, no, I'm not bitter much. I just have a realistic view of the world. How many of the guys here in relationships haven't been offered an easy time in bed then asked for some gift or permission to spend money? say on a new car, or something for the house? That's legal prostitution in anyone's view, and because it is within the marriage, it's ok.

      Yes, it comes down to what IS love, and when is sex not part of love. Everyone has to judge for themselves when it's just sex, or when it's truly love. The truth is that everyone is at some point going to trade sex for merchandise, money, or favors. Sorry folks, that is how the human species is. Altruism is great, in theory, but rather tainted in practice.

      No, I'm not saying that ALL humans will do this. I'm just saying it's a trend with a very long history.

  3. Re:"I hope they work on cleaning the weird spammer by nizo · · Score: 5, Funny

    As long as they don't mess with continued additions to the best of craigslist I'm ok with the changes

  4. Re:"I hope they work on cleaning the weird spammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You'd think these guys are allergic to showers...

    Well, I doubt they're allergic to golden showers. :-)

  5. Re:"No victims" by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    pop quiz: does making it illegal make prostitution more or less susceptible to criminal influence?

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  6. Re:"No victims" by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Prostitution on the other hand is completely different. There is no way to go back in time and suddenly make it part of society and acceptable. Even in certain past times when it was "acceptable" it was almost entirely in societies and were on the verge of failing with their eventual downfall not fall behind.

    Lol. Shows what you know. Prostitution is legal in most of Europe as well as Canada.

    It's not called the world's oldest profession as a joke.

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    When information is power, privacy is freedom.
  7. Not so. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the few places where it is legal in the U.S., such as Nevada, the commercial operations show a very different side of the coin.

    The workers tend to be happy, they make a good income, AIDS is simply unknown, and other diseases are extremely rare. They get regular tests and medical checkups. Nobody has to "see" anybody they don't want to. Beating the girls does not happen... nobody would work there, and the beater would go to jail. The owners and operators simply do not tolerate that kind of bullshit.

    You can say that the vast majority are mistreated... but that same majority are doing it ILLEGALLY on the streets. If you honestly compare where it is legal and where it is not, the story is vastly different.

  8. Re:Useless by ProzacPatient · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Keeping prostitution illegal is misguided and based on a puritanical ideal that has never, and will never, be achieved.

    I'm against pre-marital sex, and that prostitution is a waste of money, but I also realize that I live in a free country and my personal standard is not everybody's standards and I have no right to force that upon them.
    With that in mind I believe I can say that I agree with you because legalizing prostitution means that it can be properly and formally regulated to prevent the spread of STDs and other potential strings that may come attached (although I suppose that if you go looking for sex from strangers then you'd be willing to take that risk).
    A good example might be the prohibition of alcohol during the 1920's and all the promises that overly self-righteous people said that would come with it. So much for those promises because the prohibition brought with it an expansion of organized crime and poisonous moonshine liqueur. The prohibition created more violence and crime then it was ever promised to save.

  9. In the words of the late, great George Carlin... by ZxCv · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Selling is legal. Fucking is legal. Why isn't selling fucking legal?"

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