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Raising Doubts About Australia's Broadband Upgrade Plan

RcK writes "In addition to the rising controversy of the possible Australian version of the Great Firewall Of China already mentioned several times of late here on Slashdot; the viability of the proposed AU$5Billion internet infrastructure upgrade promised by the Federal Government during their 2007 election campaign is under fire. The MD of arguably Australia's leading internet company, iinet, has branded the proposal a waste of taxpayers money. Steve Ballmer, during his current Australian visit, has also weighed in on the topic and diplomatically indicated that Australia should get on with the job. Much of the current criticism appears to surround the likelihood of people in remote areas being left out of the proposed plan. Ironically, where I lived previously (remote town in central Aus — nearest town over 400km away) everyone had, at the absolute least, subsidized satellite internet, and most had ADSL. In my case a flawless 512k connection for ~4years. However, I now live 5 minutes from the center of a capital city and due to archaic telephone infrastructure cannot get ADSL, and even line noise is too great for dialup!" Today's front page at Whirlpool Broadband News also features several articles relating to the saga.

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  1. Good job... by djupedal · · Score: 4, Funny

    > "However, I now live 5 minutes from the center of a capital city and due to archaic telephone infrastructure cannot get ADSL, and even line noise is too great for dialup!"

    Must have taken hours just to type that sentence. That's what I call d e d i c a t i o n!!

    1. Re:Good job... by theaveng · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What I can't figure out is why he can't get dialup. Even on noisy hotel lines, I can still get 19-24 kbit/s connections. And on clean home lines, the U.S. Congress passed a bill in 1996 to upgrade everyone to digital phones. That way even rural residents can get at least 50k connections via their digital modems. I'm surprised Australia didn't have a similar analog-to-digital phone upgrade.

      The quickest-and-fastest way to provide broadband to rural communities is to simply install DSLAMS on existing phone connections. No need to dig everything up, or install new wires. When my phone company did this, I instantly went from 50k to 6000k connections. Now a rural farmhouse in the middle of nowhere might not be able to go that fast, but they should still be able to achieve ~500k connections using DSL.

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    2. Re:Good job... by Aramgutang · · Score: 2, Insightful

      At least he's lucky enough to even have a home line. I live 20 min away by foot (or 5 min by bus) from Sydney CBD (Central Business District), and my house isn't even wired for a phone line. The house in the middle of a heavily residential area (Glebe), it's not too old or new, and it's got 3 floors with 3 one- or two-bedroom apartments on each floor.

      Telstra demands $700 to connect the house to the phone line, and neither the landlord nor the tenants will cough up the money. Hence I'm stuck with a wireless HSDPA (3G) plan from Three, which is $20 a month for a 2 GB download+upload cap. One day, my girlfriend left LimeWire open on her laptop when she left for work in the morning; that month we had a $360 bill. I thank $deity every day for unlimited Internet at uni and ImageShack's Torrent Drive.

      The Internet situation in Australia truly is atrocious. I have no doubt that the OP had a better experience out in the outback. It seems that all the plans the government has been proposing put the sheep farmer's interests first. I guess they need to track their flock via GPS or something.

    3. Re:Good job... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2, Informative
      What I can't figure out is why he can't get dialup.

      Probably on a pair gain line.

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    4. Re:Good job... by shirro · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The previous Australian government subsidized ADSL DSLAMS for rural communities and subsidized wireless and satellite for people beyond DSL range.

      Some farms do have unbelievably bad land lines. I have seen some that can't sustain 9600 but these are line faults. I have seen others that are not much better where it is an infrastructure issue - the phone company refuses to lay more copper, fix ongoing problems or is using obsolete pair gain systems. Affordable digital line plans got withdrawn by Telstra, perhaps so they could push people onto more expensive cell phone plans.

      Your farms might be closer to your towns than here. Someone on a farm 20km from town is not going to get DSL, would be lucky to get a digital land line, possibly doesn't have cell coverage for 3G but could get subsidised 2 way satellite.

      When people buy a house in a flight path and complain about the noise I get a bit skeptical. I live in a rural town of 4000 and sync at 8M and could get 20M if I wanted to pay for it. I own a vacant house which thanks to drought and global credit crisis is worth less by the minute. If the original poster wants to upgrade to an area with broadband access there are options.

  2. I think it comes down to... by Laser_iCE · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The point that they're playing on the fact that the majority of Australians have no idea how technology works, nor do they have any understanding about the terminology behind it. Simple things like you mention to someone, "I use a 512k connection" -- they would assume that you would be downloading at 512kb/s, not 1/8th of that.

    Couple this with the fact that IT has always been the sort of subject that kids used to figure out ways to get around their schools proxy (so they can waste time on bebo at school instead of actually hanging out with their friends), rather than learning how a computer works.

    This is also the reason why Australians get sucked into those stupid Nigerian scams so easy -- because a lot of us don't use common sense. Not saying that Australia is alone in any of these aspects, it just seems to be that because our Government has no idea how the series of tubes works, the rest of the country hasn't really taken any interest. Discussion about things like the proposed internet filter are great for the general public, because it gives them a chance to understand how intricate the internet and networking in general is...

    Or they roll your eyes at you and put their iPod headphones back in -- they won't have to worry about security with Web 2.0.

    [/rant]

    1. Re:I think it comes down to... by tick-tock-atona · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm not sure which Australia you're living in, but I think the general public here has pretty good tech knowledge. The government, on the other hand, is made up of idiots like Conroy and Fielding - who, from their public comments, are puritan Luddite's.

      The party's good intentions are there, it's just that those charged with delivering a product (Conroy) have no idea what they are doing. I think he's been so sidetracked with his little pet project of internet censorship, that he's forgotten what the "Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy" is actually supposed to do.

      And none of this is helped by the resident monopoly Telstra who, following privatisation, have abused their monopoly on telecommunications infrastructure in an attempt to keep competition at a minimum. The Howard government simply didn't ensure healthy competition was possible following the transition of Telstra to private ownership.

  3. Huh? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People are still paying attention to Steve Ballmer???

    1. Re:Huh? by Idiomatick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Steve balmer if you RTFA says highspeed internet is a good thing, he says that the future of computing is online. And he says 21mbps wireless is fucking awesome. All of these things /. agrees with. Try not to trash the guy when he's not throwing chairs thats just flaming.

    2. Re:Huh? by bain_online · · Score: 2, Funny

      You must be new here... now repeat after me "We _do__not_ listen to Steve Balmer".

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  4. Southern Crosstikas by Firrenzi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One thing that I cannot understand about Australian, particularly in Brisbane is the attitude of 'Australia: love it or leave' combined with the surreptitious nationalism. Our easy going nature is simply apathy that we will not admit to. When constructive criticism is made, it is often met with derision by the general populace because it is not the Australian way. For all the multiculturalism in this country, tt concerns me the bigotry, racism and provincial mindset that so many have on this island.

    Sadly enough, it makes me want to hand in my pass at the door. We are the 51st state of the US (foreign policy, economic policy, etc) , and have learnt it's lessons and bettered them. (ie we are more litigious per capita then the US). A country that chooses to play second fiddle instead of stand on our own two feet.

    I guess we shouldn't knock bacteria, after all it's the only culture that some people have in this country.

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    1. Re:Southern Crosstikas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We are the 51st state of the US (foreign policy, economic policy, etc) , and have learnt it's lessons and bettered them.

      The real problem is that Australians believe this, because we want it to be true, yet it's actually entirely false. Even though we are dedicated to the ideal of shedding our "embarrassing" Aussieness in favour of "sophisticated" and "important" Americana, we're still just a bunch of kids playing dress-up in their mum and dad's clothes. As much as we love to believe we're really American, we're not. We're nowhere even near that goal. But what's really sad is that we can't even see that's a GOOD thing. It's the curse of the eternal inferiority complex.

  5. Nonsense. by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The point that they're playing on the fact that the majority of Australians have no idea how technology works, nor do they have any understanding about the terminology behind it.

    You seem to be claiming that Australians are somehow different from other humans. I am not Australian by birth, but I've been living there for a few years, and I've observed that the geek quotient of the population seems to be quite high. What makes an Australian any more likely to get sucked in by a scam than, say, an American?

    The simple fact is that we (finally) have a change of government, replacing the morons who had had their heads up their asses for so long they had obviously started to enjoy the view in there. The trouble is, the new government doesn't really want to actually _do_ anything, their preference being to push pieces of paper around and bleat platitudes.

    1. Re:Nonsense. by Laser_iCE · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well you obviously didn't read the rest of my post when I clearly pointed out:

      Not saying that Australia is alone in any of these aspects

      The trouble is, I see a lot of kids who say they know a lot about technology, they're interested in gadgets and high tech gear, but when it comes down to actually being able to google for something, or to trouble shoot software when an unexpected error occurs, or even something as simple as going through the options in a program to see what you can change/customize -- these sort of things are beyond the average Australian. Don't be naive and believe that the rest of the country who loves only sports and hot women, are like your friends who enjoy IT and are IT savvy. I don't want to burst your bubble, but a lot of Australians are very shallow, and generally very "sheepish".

      Don't get me wrong, I want to see this country thrive and strive with it's IT industry just as much as you do, but it only takes 5 minutes to step into any Government workplace to realise that most of them have no clue beyond checking emails in Outlook and reading news sites in Internet Explorer.

    2. Re:Nonsense. by imroy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The trouble is, the new government doesn't really want to actually _do_ anything, their preference being to push pieces of paper around and bleat platitudes.

      Just as soon as they form a taskforce to investigate which pieces of paper to push and which platitudes to bleat. I voted Labor last year and I'm still waiting for them to do much beyond repealing Work Choices. Fucking do something!

  6. Re:Competition is a problem by Goldenjera · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Most of us are still on ASDL 1. Anything to upgrade the country's internet!

    Telstra ...have abused their monopoly on telecommunications infrastructure in an attempt to keep competition at a minimum

    I am sick of the deals Telstra offer (poor speed, not much usage, and steep prices) telling us that they are "great deals". I'm not well read about the rest of the world, but I'm on a cap of 5Gb, which gets used up very quickly, and my parents seem to believe that that is "impossible".

    While people of the younger generations are quite smart (@ Laser iCE: Have you seen the blacklist in schools now-a-days? We can access wikipedia,the Board of studies, and that's about it, my schools own website is even blocked. 'Tis no wonder we spend all our time finding an unblocked proxy server) it's the older generations that have the money that would support the upgrade, meaning it probably won't happen until my generation can afford it :(

  7. Telstra: No problems here and better agree with us by Raindeer · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Paul Budde an Australian Broadband honcho had the following experience with Telstra and the way they see broadband:

    Telstra and Freedom of speech Last week I was involved in an interesting but disheartening incident - one that further highlights the problems we are facing with Telstra in Australia.

    Tomorrow I will be chairing Day One of the Broadband World conference, organised by terrapin. This event included a panel session entitled 'Can open access regulation truly work in Australia without retail separation?' in which Telstra had agreed to participate.

    At the last moment, however, Telstra asked the conference organisers to withdraw two people from the panel, saying they wouldn't participate otherwise. It was also very interesting to see that they even came up with the names of the people they would like as replacements. more

  8. Burnt Mod Points Akimbo by jaminJay · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I remember watching the National Press Club Address about five years ago from the then-current parliamentary technology adviser who lamented that Australians have the highest acceptance of technological devices in the world, yet most people have no idea, or intention, to use them beyond their rudimentary functions.

    For example, the majority have a multimedia phone, and the majority of those people use call and text at most. 60% of households (circa 2003 figures) have a computer connected to the internet in the same room as the main TV (average of two TVs per household), yet what is it used for but Facebook?

    To further complicate matters, University students entering IT, Electronics and related fields are down because of the perception that "everything" already works, so why shouldn't they just be using the technology available? What is the point of working to improve it?

    I'm pleased I'll graduate soon in a technological environment where people with my skillset are thinning, yet I fear a future as foretold in Idiocracy: people just don't look beyond the nose in front of their face any more.

    </rant>

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  9. Dark side of the Node by bobby1234 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I live in a new suburb in Melbourne and the infrastructure installed in the new suburb by Telstra (the local monopoly) is Fibre to the Node. Which is great. Except they go an put rubbish equipment at the nodes. So across the suburb about 40% of people can get ADSL1 and the rest get nothing (except a basic phone line).

    I spent 4 months sending applications to the local ISP until eventually one of my neighbours sells up and disconnects from the node and luckily I get his spot.

    This is not as uncommon.