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NYCL Responds to RIAA Accusations

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "You may recall that when the RIAA decided to run away with its tail between its legs in the long running Brooklyn case against a home health aide who has never used a computer, UMG v. Lindor, it decided to take some parting shots at the defendant and NewYorkCountryLawyer, asking for 'discovery sanctions,' and blaming them for its inability to prove its case. Today NYCL gave them his response, accusing the RIAA lawyers of persistent misstatements of fact (PDF) throughout their motion papers, and of flouting the rules and misstating the law (PDF). Although the RIAA's motion papers took a number of shots at NYCL's copyright law blog, 'Recording Industry vs. The People,' NYCL confined his response on that subject to a single footnote."

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  1. Re:Way to go! by clang_jangle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd say more than that, NYCL is a bona-fide Freedom Fighter. Thanks, NYCL -- you're my kind of hero!

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  2. Footnote by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful
    In case anyone is wondering what the footnote actually said, here it is on page 17 of umg_lindor_081110DeclarationRB.pdf.

    I decline to enter into a point-by-point rejoinder in defense of my modest foray into "blogging". Suffice it to say that (a) my law blog is irrelevant to the motion, (b) plaintiffs' counsel themselves rely upon the blog in the course of their legal work....(c) many in-house university counsels and student legal services offices refer their students to it ....... (d) many law schools and colleges use it in their curricula ..... (e) many reputable organizations have found the views expressed in it to be worthy of further in-depth consideration...... (f) it has been cited in law review articles.....(g) plaintiffs' counsel are not candid about their real problem with the blog, which is that its existence interferes with their tactic of attempting to conceal the litigation events and prior inconsistent statements they don't want others to know about, from judges, litigants, and law enforcement authorities

    Emphasis mine. He then goes on to give a specific example of why the RIAA hates his blog, basically because it exposes the stupid things they do to the world.

    Must be a fun job to use the law to destroy evil. Kind of like that old movie The Rainmaker. If I were Ray Beckerman, I would feel like I were in a movie.

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    1. Re:Footnote by BSAtHome · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The RIAA fiasco gets more entertaining all the time. The more they lose, the funnier it gets.

      I disagree that the cases are "funny". The recklessness expressed by the RIAA lawyers and the utter lack of common sense and decency in both professional and private conduct are disturbing. Please remember that the "accused" are scarred for life. Even if all wrongfully sued people get fully compensated, they still lose out because they have been stressed, bashed and abused.

    2. Re:Footnote by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Their policy is not to 'make sense'. Their policy is to frighten people. An insane attack dog is more frightening, and in a number of more ways more effective, than a well-trained guard dog to keep people off the territory where you let the dog loose, even if you do not in fact own that territory and have no legal cause to let that dog hurt anyone.

      Plenty of people in the music industry, especially in production and distribution, have mastered this art for many years, against agents, performers, and normal purchasers. This is just another form of the 'trial by champions' or effectively 'trial by mercenaries in suits' that legal systems have provided since the time of the crucifixion of Jesus and Pontius Pilate washing his hands of the mess.

    3. Re:Footnote by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Being stressed, bashed, scarred, and abused is part of life.

      Death is also a part of life. Yet we try to avoid it when possible and take a dim view on anyone forcing it on to others.

  3. One man army? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here's a guy who has single handedly changed my opinion of lawyers. Certianly he has friends here, I'd give him a dollar. But at the same time his existence speaks badly of other lawyers. The question is: Why are there not more like him? We all recognise the RIAA are effectively an extorion racket. Why do more not speak up and take on these criminals? Leading by example may not be enough. If I were NYCL my focus would be converting more of my peers, raising an army against the RIAA. A one man battle is heroic and all, but sooner or later we all need help. It's time other lawyers saw which way the wind is blowing and get behind this leader.

    1. Re:One man army? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are many, many others like him. The difference is they aren't on Slashdot and they don't make the paper.

      It's also a pick your fights type of thing. Not every good lawyer is going to be fighting the RIAA. It's where their interest and abilities lie.

    2. Re:One man army? by PDG · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As much as I respect NYCL, the reason you don't see more like him is that it doesn't pay. Being noble is difficult when it effects your ability to feed your kids.

      I laud his efforts, but he is a jewel in the rough.

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    3. Re:One man army? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If I were NYCL my focus would be converting more of my peers, raising an army against the RIAA.

      That really has been my focus. The purpose of the blog was to empower other lawyers. Since I started it, more and more lawyers have come into the fold. I give them free listings in my "Directory of Defense Lawyers" and we try to help each other whenever we can. Are there enough lawyers doing it? No. But more and more are coming into the fight.

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    4. Re:One man army? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      May you succeed in this seemingly Quixotic quest.

      I don't know if it's so Quixotic. After all, it's a legal battle in a court of law. And I have the law on my side. Doesn't that give me the advantage, ultimately?

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    5. Re:One man army? by darkmeridian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are lawyers taking on the entire military tribunal process down there in Gitmo. Oh, and these guys are defending people who probably killed American soldiers. Oh, and they're career military officers who probably flushed his career down the tubes to make an unpopular stand.

      There are good guys everywhere if you only wanted to look.

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    6. Re:One man army? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      [...] I have the law on my side. Doesn't that give me the advantage, ultimately?

      You're new to this law-thing, right?

      Yeah. I've only been doing it 34 years.

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  4. To New York County Lawyer by Kierthos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We salute you, sir.

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  5. Didn't Lindor settle? by d_jedi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "You may recall that when the RIAA decided to run away with its tail between its legs in the long running Brooklyn case against a home health aide who has never used a computer"

    Maybe I'm thinking of a different case, but I thought Lindor decided to settle?

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  6. due vs. undue stress by jonaskoelker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Being stressed, bashed, scarred, and abused is part of life.

    True, and people should have some amount of thick skin. But...

    When people stress others without caring for their well-being and (more importantly) without a valid reason and do so repeatedly, that's where it becomes chicanery and where I think it's reasonable to step in.

    Whether we're talking about schoolyard bullies or corporate dragnet litigation, there should be some way of stopping chicanery. Lawsuits are not like an abusive spouse: you can't just divorce it.

    Looked at the Skinnerian way, when people harass you, we need you to have some way of punishing them. Otherwise, as symes said (http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1022819&cid=25690283), you become stressed out with bad effects to your health.

    Shame me for using anecdotal evidence all you want; I know what ten years of near-constant bullying can do to you. When you feel universally hated and persecuted, you don't have the most fertile ground for developing social skills; what you do have is fertile grounds for developing social anxiety.

    When on top of the endless bullying your cries for help go unanswered, you learn that you can't rely on anyone when you're in need, that no one cares about your well-being, and that people in practice have the right to mistreat you however they want.

    I do not want to be expected to tell my children that "this is a part of life".

  7. Re:'With Prejudice' by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How would NYCL react to his being cast as Jack Nicholson?

    I don't really care who they cast as me, as long as they give me a nice fee -- like maybe 5% of what Jack Nicholson gets for a movie.

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  8. Re:pettyness by BarefootClown · · Score: 4, Insightful

    if you don't know where your junk is by now....

    Dude...check the username.

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  9. Re:Fascism We Can Believe In! by Brad+Eleven · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I very much appreciate your "pipe dream" footnote.

    Aside from the deterioration of the US military through reorganization whose design goals seem to focus on saving money, military service just isn't rewarding any more. Veteran's benefits have been wantonly slashed, despite the hard evidence that the WWII G.I. Bill produced a renaissance by providing a free college education to everyone who served. The pessimistic focus seems to mirror the canard of welfare cheats. I leave the irony of military recruiters targeting the poor as an exercise for the reader.

    That being said, I found my own service experience useful in that it forced me to grow up and to recognize that I had been squandering my potential. If nothing else, the US military will teach you just how badly it sucks to take orders from someone less intelligent that you are. I count myself fortunate to have realized this before the age of twenty, and to have taken action by the time I reached twenty-two.

    Not only did I get a college education on my own dime, I found that there were more than a few loopholes in the educational assistance program. I tired of fighting the bureaucracy and just did it on my own. In fairness, I did use the VA loan benefit ten years later.

    I think that the problem is the mistaken belief that the common work-avoidance mentality of service{men,women} persists into the post-service, civilian experience. Some minority will game every system. That doesn't make it wise to turn it off.

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