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Java Trial Support Coming In Linux Standard Base

Posted by timothy on from the chai-unfairly-excluded dept.

LinuxScribe writes "Java isn't in the LSB — yet. It's been a hard target to hit: which version gets standardized? How will test suites work? But the new version of LSB will take the first steps towards Java inclusion in standardized Linux development by introducing trial support for the language."

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  1. Re:As a C++ programmer... by Hatta · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    It is a pretty silly thing to put in the standard. The JVM is essentially an emulator. If you're going to include emulators, why not put Dosbox in the LSB? If I'm looking for a Linux native application, it's not going to be enough anymore to know that it's LSB compliant, which kind of defeats the whole purpose.

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  2. Why Java and not Mono? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    Why Java? Why not Mono? The open source community already has a completely free virtual-machine environment to use.

    I mean, if we're going to add a corporate-controlled, patent-encumbered virtual-machine environment to the Linux standard base, why not go with the one the community created?

    Or, even better, let's just not include either! If you want to create a separate "this is the standard way for Java to work on Linux" spec for people to ignore, that's fine. (Which, if I'm not mistaken, already exists.) Don't try and shoe-horn something like Java into a "baseline Linux". It doesn't belong there.

  3. Its about time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    There were a lot of people who wanted Java to be GPL or LGPL (but mostly GPL) before they would touch it --I'm mostly talking about people in the Linux and Free Software circles. Windows people wanted to kill Java by making their own, then after Sun got grumpy for MS trying to wreck it by intentionally and for not good reason make it incompatible with anything else (much like they are trying to do with ODF). Sun finally jumped through enough hoops to do it, and Java was released into the wild. That was a few years ago.
        I'm no big fan of Java, its slow as hell no matter how many supporters say 'but the bytecode is so fast now...'. No, no its not. And its also extremely verbose. I like terse languages. A little bit gives you a little bit. With Java, you code a page to get 'Hello, World!'. Don't say you don't. I've seen people argue otherwise: then I type it up in C:
    #include
    void main(void){
    printf{'Hello World/n'};
    }
    4 lines and I'm done, the whole thing. The Java folk always try to give me a code snippet. When you tell them 'lets see that go' they then start including everything else (and the kitchen sink) to actually make it go, and its always a page. A FULL PAGE!

    So in spite of how I personally feel about Java, some people like it. Sun made it available and I do have some programs that need it to run. Its available, and its about time that its included in the standard base.