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Net Neutrality Vets Join Obama FCC Transition Team
circleid writes "The Obama-Biden transition team on Friday named two long-time net neutrality advocates to head up its Federal Communications Commission Review team. Susan Crawford, a professor at the University of Michigan Law School, member of the board of directors of ICANN, and OneWebDay founder, as well as Kevin Werbach, former FCC staffer, organizer of the annual Supernova technology conference, and a Wharton professor, will lead the Obama-Biden transition team's review of the FCC. 'Both are highly-regarded outside-the-Beltway experts in telecom policy, and they've both been pretty harsh critics of the Bush administration's telecom policies in the past year.' The choice of the duo strongly signals an entirely different approach to the incumbent-friendly telecom policy-making that's characterized most of the past eight-years at the FCC."
Reuters has a related story about Senator Byron Dorgan (D-ND), who plans to introduce net neutrality legislation in January.
Why do "net neutrality" advocates ridicule politicians for comparing the Internet to a "series of tubes," and then trust them to regulate it?
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In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Because trusting the phone companies to regulate it has worked even less for us in the past ten years.
The public would not pay for its Internet services if AT&T discriminated against content, [Jim Cicconi, AT&T executive vice president for regulatory affairs] added. "We'd be shooting ourselves in the foot."
But, if the public only had a choice between DSL w/ AT&T, cable w/ Comcast, or no internet at all, and both companies throttled content, then the public is really left without a choice. It used to be that consumers had a choice between their internet provider. Nowadays, many major cities and municipalities only have one or two choices, usually both of them major players. And when regional monopolies exist, regulation has to exist to ensure that the monopolies aren't abused.
I hope we can find a better way to "regulate" OTA TV and radio. I prefer a more libertarian approach here. If CBS wants to show boobies after a reasonable time, say, 9:00 (the internationally accepted "Boobie Hour), have swear words and show people's heads exploding like a melon, let them. The market will sort things out. People will either watch and support CBS' decision and CBS will show more boobies. If people don't watch, CBS will move away from that type of programing, or go out of business. Little kids that are up at 9:00 watching porn are already suffering from parenting fail and no amount of FCC nanying is going to save them.
If all the OTA networks paid say .5% (or some other equally made up number) of their advertising revenue into a PBS fund that focused on education, solid news and community events, that could satisfy everybody. Anybody who wants to watch TV at the boobie hour, without seeing boobies still has an option and the rest of us can see our boobies and hear fill of swear words. Problem solved. Next?
Besides, I think that seeing a flaming and charred body fly out of an exploding meth-lab-camper on Bones this week is way more scarring to me and just about any kid than hearing an occasional "fuck".
This one's tricky. You have to use imaginary numbers, like eleventeen... --Hobbes
yea I got little kids that don't need to be hearing certain things. Its called adult responsibility.
Exactly! It's your adult responsibility to make sure your kids are not watching smut. If you leave your 5 year-old unattended in front of the TV with the remote, then that's your parenting fail. If you can't trust your 12 year-old to not watch smut when you're not around, then again, that's your [NSFW] parenting fail. Expecting the government to instill and uphold morality in your family is ridiculous. That is your job.
There has always been opportunity for kids to make poor moral choices and be exposed to media and events that were outside the parents' moral-comfort zone. If you lived in 18th century Paris, you had the choice to go to the guillotine, or you could keep your kids home. It has and always will be up to the parents. If you let your kids run wild and don't take the time to set expectations, they're going to do wrong. Expecting some hand in the sky, or white-house, or capital hill to come in and do it for you is just plain crazy.
Spend time with your kids. Talk to them. Explain why you make choices and how you feel about their choices. No amount of legislation will substitute that.
This one's tricky. You have to use imaginary numbers, like eleventeen... --Hobbes
It is true that the morally conservative would rally against smut on TV, but perhaps we can move past the vocal minority and allow the market to sort this one out. When one group is allowed to dictate what is and is not obscene, constitutional rights start to get trampled. My art becomes your porn; your ideas become my dangerous propaganda. Clearly, the slippery slope theory isn't very accurate, and we're not going to slip into a 15th century age of repression, but the idea of a minority advocating for the majority is troublesome.
Perhaps using that logic, and the logic of a free market, we can push past the social conservatives and move on to something a bit more free.
This one's tricky. You have to use imaginary numbers, like eleventeen... --Hobbes
I've said this before, but why not say it again :)
The basic issue with Net Neutrality is not how the service should be offered, or anything to do with the technology. It's fundamentally just an issue of who pays. Telecoms would like to collect subscriber revenue from their customers, then turn around and collect more revenue from content providers as well.
The important thing to understand here is that as bad as the current ISP situation is, under the current model a customer theoretically has the option to respond to price signals by changing their service options, e.g., switching to another provider, or --- if none is available --- simply reducing their consumption. That keeps costs under control to some extent.
Under the proposed model, it's the content provider who pays. Since a content provider is not a direct "customer" of the ISP, they have very little leverage with the ISP. If, say, Google wants to reach a given class of customers (e.g., the tens millions of customers served by Comcast), they have no choice but to deal with Comcast on whatever terms it chooses--- or give up a huge percentage of the market.
Now on the surface this seems like a fine deal to Comcast's customers, since they get enhanced network services without any additional service charges. But this leads to a problem: without any price signals, there's no strong incentive on Comcast to moderate their prices. Anything they charge will ultimately be passed along to the customers by the content providers, in the form of higher service charges, reduced quality, and/or dramatically increased advertising. But customers won't see this directly and link it to the ISP, so there will be very little incentive to control costs (no doubt Comcast will mandate that content providers distribute these costs equally, and not single out their customers for additional surcharges). It imposes a huge tax on a very dynamic and growing part of our economy, and it's certainly one we don't need now.
(Larger providers, incidentally, will have some leverage in this model--- since who wants to be the ISP to cut off iTunes service? But their leverage will come at the cost of squeezing smaller providers for more revenue, dramatically increasing barriers to entering the market. Goodbye new ideas.)
There are various solutions to this problem, all of which require the ISP to bill their enhanced services to the customer. In the end this gives the same set of enhanced services, but also allows customers to make a decision as to whether they want to pay the ISP, cut down on service, or switch to another provider. Done correctly this should encourage ISPs to open up their networks to many providers, since their revenue will be driven by customer interest and not self-interest.
The new President is appointing knowledgeable experts to important government posts instead of industry cronies? Pinch me.
Why do Linux advocates ridicule operating systems for being closed-source and bloated, and then trust an operating system to run their computers?
Why do vegetarians ridicule food for being immoral and unhealthy, but still eat food?
Why do voters criticize candidates for holding positions they don't like, and then vote for a candidate?
yea I got little kids that don't need to be hearing certain things. Its called adult responsibility.
Exactly! It's your adult responsibility to make sure your kids are not watching smut. If you leave your 5 year-old unattended in front of the TV with the remote, then that's your parenting fail. If you can't trust your 12 year-old to not watch smut when you're not around, then again, that's your [NSFW] parenting fail. Expecting the government to instill and uphold morality in your family is ridiculous. That is your job.
There has always been opportunity for kids to make poor moral choices and be exposed to media and events that were outside the parents' moral-comfort zone. If you lived in 18th century Paris, you had the choice to go to the guillotine, or you could keep your kids home. It has and always will be up to the parents. If you let your kids run wild and don't take the time to set expectations, they're going to do wrong. Expecting some hand in the sky, or white-house, or capital hill to come in and do it for you is just plain crazy.
Spend time with your kids. Talk to them. Explain why you make choices and how you feel about their choices. No amount of legislation will substitute that.
no kidding. But it takes a village to raise an idiot. As a society we have a responsibility to take care of our offspring whether its our child or our neighbor's that will grow up to be the next rapist, thief etc. Parents can't be everywhere all the time.
Not swearing out in public in front of children is common adult decency. Public TV that gets piped in. Ya know not too long ago I remember being able to watch certain action shows with my dad. They were tailored quite well for age appropriate things. Now, The same time slots I can't watch the action shows with my sons because they throw in some things that at their age they should not be exposed to.
And generally speaking if you start swearing in front of a father's children, you might get politely asked to stop. If you keep on being rude, the father might get a little rude back, along with all the other parents nearby. Maybe even call the cops.
I have 4 of the best behaved kids. Ya know the kind that parents want their kids to play with because they are so well behaved while not around their parents. And they don't live with their heads in the sand. I have a beautiful 16 year old daughter, that is STILL daddy's girl even as she grabs her independence. She still has chosen to stay away from the guys, and she has the choice. And like I said she if beautiful. Grades? Oh don't even get my started on how wonderful in all areas my children are. So I know about, parent responsibility.
It takes a village to raise an idiot. We all have a responsibility to teach the young ones proper behavior. We all should respect other's children. Do you like hearing little kids swear?
Look, I was all out supporting Obama, especially considering the alternatives. But can we PLEASE stop comparing him to Kennedy and Lincoln before he has even started?
"Boobies" are always reasonable. They are quite easy to find on the Internet. The Internet is in most every community. Hence based on the standards of the community in your area, boobies are indeed acceptable.
This being said (with as much tongue in check as possible), just stop telling people what they can broadcast. It's none of your business, even if you did license them the airwaves they're using.
While I believe cursing and harsh language aren't protected under the First Amendment (I'm told, though maybe it's just cursing AT people that isn't), I grew up in a household where everyone dropped F-bombs constantly. I, however, did not. It was explained to me by my family . . .
*YES. FAMILIES CAN EXPLAIN THINGS TO CHILDREN.*
. . . that these aren't things little children should say. So I didn't.
I also was basically raised by television, and instead of turning into a violent psychopath, I LEARNED THINGS. So I mean, call me crazy, but I think if you teach your children on your own time right from wrong, in whatever terms you see fit, you can expose them to whatever and they'll understand what you do and don't want them to do.
Gah, better than comparing him at the end. Nice choice of presidents =(
Literalism isn't a form of humor, it's you being irritating.
I prefer a more libertarian approach here. If CBS wants to show boobies after a reasonable time, say, 9:00 (the internationally accepted "Boobie Hour), have swear words and show people's heads exploding like a melon, let them. The market will sort things out. People will either watch and support CBS' decision and CBS will show more boobies.
And you know what will happen? Ratings will skyrocket, resulting in 3 dozen copycat stations - and virtually none for those people who don't want to see nudity and violence all the time (like the reality show trend). Market numbers will always look good for that type of trash, because a large percentage of people who don't like smut 24/7 have already given up on TV anyways (prime example: the book readers). So realistically, you would have to bring those people back to TV to even know what audience you're missing. It's similar to the American Idol effect: ratings went through he roof, because people you didn't even know existed tuned in because it wasn't tabloid TV.
I'm 26 years old, I don't have any kids, I'm not a very religious person, and I don't have a college degree. I don't belong in any of the groups that would typically go for this sort of thing - yet I feel TV is complete garbage. Entirely too much shock value, and not enough substance.
Look, I'm a "Full Blooded American", but I'm honest enough to know that American citizens are neither smart enough or responsible enough to decide what's good for TV. We'd sell our souls and our youth for good entertainment, and we'd do it without hesitation. We're prisoners of the moment, and we never understand - or even care about - the big picture.
You're technically right, but with all the overlays and shit they put right over the shows these days, you could easily find many OTA and cable networks who realistically push over 30 minutes of advertising per hour.
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
"Conservatives love to point fingers at the CRA, because then they can blame liberals and poor people instead of the rich assholes on Wall Street, but the fact is that it had almost nothing to do with the current crisis.
And liberals love to cover their asses, when they were at fault of the core of the greatest economic collapse since stagflation in the 70's. BTW, you guys were responsible for that one too. The rich did trade the toxic paper, but Democrats in Congress covered for them because it suited their political goals. But if there are no subprime loans, then there is no subprime crisis. Subprime loans were the product of your beloved CRA. In order to open bank branches in poorer neighborhoods, the CRA mandated that those banks had to give a percentage of home loans regardless of creditworthiness. You may think that's great social policy, but it's horrible economics.
And your BusinessWeek quote is from a commentary, not an analysis. It was his opinion. His opinion is flatly wrong, and I'll get you one hundred more qualified opinions saying so. Deep down, you know it. Even Barney Frank now admits those loans shouldn't have been made, though he denies any personal culpability. Just like the rest of you, apparently.
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