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Anti-Matter Created By Laser At Livermore

zootropole alerts us to a press release issued today by Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, announcing the production of 'billions of particles of anti-matter.' "Take a gold sample the size of the head of a push pin, shoot a laser through it, and suddenly more than 100 billion particles of anti-matter appear. The anti-matter, also known as positrons, shoots out of the target in a cone-shaped plasma 'jet.' This new ability to create a large number of positrons in a small laboratory opens the door to several fresh avenues of anti-matter research, including an understanding of the physics underlying various astrophysical phenomena such as black holes and gamma ray bursts." The press release doesn't characterize the laser used in this experiment, but it may have been this one.

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  1. Holy Mackerel! by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Does anyone know how much energy this takes? They mentioned the previous petawatt laser experiment that was decommissioned, but I didn't see where it mentioend the power required for this experiment. If the laser guess by kdawson is correct, we could be looking at a mere 400 joules per 1E11 positrons. Which (if I'm not mistaken) would be an unheard of efficiency for creating antimatter! (Can someone verify? My brain is fried at the moment.)

    What I find interesting is that this level of production is competitive with Fermilab. Even if they ran this twice an hour, they'd handily meet or outstrip Fermilab production.

    Even more interesting is the possibility for mass manufacture of antimatter. By using mass-produced gold targets, you could rotate the materials in and out of the machine every few seconds, creating previously unseen amounts of antimatter. Such a process could easily provide materials for an antimatter catalyzed fission drive. Possibly even enough to power new forms of interplanetary propulsion.

    Am I the only one who's getting really excited about this? /dreamer

    1. Re:Holy Mackerel! by techno-vampire · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's even worse than that. During a panel at LACon II, back in '84, Dr. Robert Forward said that according to the best calculations, if you dropped a lump of anti-matter on the floor, it wouldn't vanish in a flash of gamma rays, it would sizzle like a drop of water on a hot griddle. You see, the anti-matter can only interact with its environment and annihilate on its surface, and there's this little thing called the "cube-square law" that says that very little of it is going to be on the surface.

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    2. Re:Holy Mackerel! by Klaus_1250 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      (60e6 * 1e3 kcal) / (c^2) = 2.7931967 grams. That is about a factor 1000 less.

      The largest H-bomb ever build/detonated, the russian Tsar Bomb, was about 50MT, but capable of 100MT. I never heard of anything larger, but is/was there?

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    3. Re:Holy Mackerel! by Rayban · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What would happen if you aerosolized said cube with a small explosive?

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    4. Re:Holy Mackerel! by Quantum+Jim · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't think this compares with Fermilab. The fine article is talking about creating positrons, not anti-protons. This isn't the first time I've heard about creating positrons from a laser shown upon a gold foil target. Here are two (from 2004 and 2001 respectively) that I just found on Google Scholar describing a result and a theory behind the positron production:

      http://llacolen.ciencias.uchile.cl/~vmunoz/download/papers/wclpp05.pdf
      http://www-project.slac.stanford.edu/lc/local/PolarizedPositrons/doc/ClassicalPapers/B_Shen-J_Meyer-ter-Vehn-PRE65_16405.pdf

      It also isn't very efficient. They make 10^11 positrons per 400 J of energy input. If those positrons react with 10^11 electrons, they produce gamma rays with the energy 2 * (electron mass * (10^11)) * (c^2) = 0.0163742083 joules. Maybe it is more efficient than Fermilab, but that's still not very much. Since these are light positrons - not heavy anti-protons - I don't think these results would be very useful for fusion. Maybe as a source of gamma rays or as a research tool.

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    5. Re:Holy Mackerel! by JohnFluxx · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I did the calculations for an earlier post:

      If you accelerate at 9.8m/s^2 for half the journey and -9.8m/s^2 for the second half of the journey (so that it's just like earth's gravity) then you would arrive at the planet after:

      1.94 arccosh(n/1.94 + 1) years

      For n=10.5 light years, this gives 4.9 years.

      For other values of distance:
      4.3 ly nearest star 3.6 years
      27 ly Vega 6.6 years
      30,000 ly Center of our galaxy 20 years
      2,000,000 ly Andromeda galaxy 28 years

      (For distances bigger than about a thousand million light years, the formulas given here is inadequate because the universe is expanding. General Relativity would have to be used to work out those cases.)

      So for someone in the rocket, they could arrive at the planet in 4.9 years.

      If you had an 100% efficient engine (using anti-matter/matter), the fuel required would be:

      d Stopping at: M
      4.3 ly Nearest star 38 kg
      27 ly Vega 886 kg
      30,000 ly Center of our galaxy 955,000 tonnes
      2,000,000 ly Andromeda galaxy 4.2 thousand million tonnes

      I find it fascinating that within a human lifetime (for the people in the rocket) we could travel to another galaxy.

      (I'm a theoretical particle physicist)

    6. Re:Holy Mackerel! by Kagura · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Hmm, as I recall they were 0.013 and 0.021 megatons for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, respectively. ;)

      Also, when you write it this way, it makes the impact of "20 megaton" nuclear bombs a lot more powerful. Pin not indented.

  2. All or Nothing by Jheralack · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I always wondered if they could assemble enough anti-matter to perform a Cavendish experiment if it would prove to be repulsive to regular matter gravitationally. I know the current theory doesn't call for it, but hey, that's why we do the experiments. Very symmetrical (in comparison to the electrostatic force equation), and very cool, if it turned out to be true. On the other hand, somebody should stop these fools now. The next thing they will want to do is bottle the stuff, and regular nukes would be toys in comparison.

    1. Re:All or Nothing by maugle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh, that's a fun thought. On the other hand, I don't really see anyone trying to build an antimatter bomb any time soon, since just keeping one on hand would be incredibly risky:

      Something goes wrong storing a nuke: Area sealed off, that particular spot possibly radioactive
      Something goes wrong storing an antimatter bomb: Area vaporized, that particular spot the center of a city-sized crater

  3. Wow PET scans anyone? by Billy+the+Mountain · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This may open the possibility of cheaper PET scans. Currently, the limitation of PET scans is the answer to this question: "How far away is the nearest Cyclotron?" The half life of the radioactive material used in Positron Emission Tomography, typically Flourine-18, is ~110 minutes. With a laser that can generate positrons, you could have a mobile PET scan unit that would only need to rely on being able to connect to the grid.

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  4. Re:Lasers by superdave80 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's even more amazing when you consider that when lasers were first developed, no one thought they would have much practical use. They were "A solution looking for a problem."
    http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/284158_townes.html

    Now, try to imagine modern technology without lasers...

  5. What about gold-nanoparticles instead by ancient_kings · · Score: 1, Interesting

    of a pinhead? I know making gold nano-particles can be done by anyone, anywhere. It is very simple to do. They are much smaller than a pinhead and their arrangement can easily be made so that the surface area is billions of times larger than a pinhead. Now, can a simple pointer laser set off positrons? If not, how about a green laser? If not, how about shining the green laser through a $600 frequency doubler crystal onto those gold nano-particles?

  6. Re:Quick question for anyone with the knowledge by CroDragn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You can't generate a net positive energy source with antimatter. Best you can hope for is to use the antimatter as a form of energy storage (think battery, fuel, etc). Of course, storage problems make it impractical for nearly every use, so don't expect anti-matter cars... ever. Space travel, however, would greatly benefit from a decent means of generating antimatter, since fuel mass trumps most other concerns in that field and anti-matter provides the most thrust/mass of any theoretical substance.

  7. Re:Quick question for anyone with the knowledge by Gromius · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You produce anti-matter in anti-matter-matter pairs. Ergo your idea can not work.

    I spent a while thinking if you could exploit the W boson which produces anti-matter - matter pairs of different flavour but I couldnt think of a way. Regardless any way which somebody could come up with would give such a small theoretical energy gain that you would almost certainly lose it through efficiency loses.

  8. Re:Quick question for anyone with the knowledge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Of course, lasers might not be the most energy efficient way of creating antimatter but that doesn't change the fact that if you want to turn m matter into antimatter you will need at least 2*mc^2 energy (at least that's my intuitive guess).

    According to my intuition, your intuition is in error. Even if we're creating the antimatter from whole cloth we would be spending:

    mc^2 + processing inefficiencies

    But during the annihilation, a matter particle is also annihilated producing:

    2 mc^2 - processing inefficiencies

    Thus, the total released energy is something along the lines of:

    mc^2 - 2 * processing inefficiencies

    Whether or not we can develop a process where the second part of the equation doesn't dominate (that doesn't go on to level the city) is the real question.

  9. Re:Quick question for anyone with the knowledge by VoidCrow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can I have your babies? Or vice versa? Either would be cool.

  10. Re:Quick question for anyone with the knowledge by Elladan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I heard on TV that an omnipotent sky monkey plans to torture us all in a volcano forever because some woman made out of a guy's rib ate a snack with a talking snake.

    And that was supposed to be an education show!