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A Third of Mars Could Have Been Underwater

Matt_dk writes "An international team of scientists who analyzed data from the Gamma Ray Spectrometer onboard NASA's Mars Odyssey reports new evidence for the controversial idea that oceans once covered about a third of ancient Mars. 'We compared Gamma Ray Spectrometer data on potassium, thorium and iron above and below a shoreline believed to mark an ancient ocean that covered a third of Mars' surface, and an inner shoreline believed to mark a younger, smaller ocean.'"

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  1. To prove it... by FungusCannon · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's gonna be a pain in the ass to get one of those rovers up to 88 miles per hour.

    1. Re:To prove it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wait until we find signs of human civilization there and discover they made a last ditch effort to escape their destructive lifestyle by migrating to a new planet they called Earth.

    2. Re:To prove it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Never mind that, just try getting 1.21 jiggerwatts out of those solar panels.

    3. Re:To prove it... by harry666t · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Interesting hypothesis.

      I have recently read a book that was supposedly written by an alien. He claimed that: the Moon is empty inside and is a home to a race of living beings that are on a very high level of spiritual evolution, the global warming is caused solely by the sun (and the other planets of the solar system are warming up too), that there was a very advanced (more advanced than ours, both technologically and spiritually) civilization on Earth millenia ago, that vanished due to a world war in which nuclear weapons were used, that the fact that Mesopotamian or Aztec civilizations seemed to appear "out of nowhere" is due to the survivors of the ancient WW, the lack of visible "side effects" (radiation) of the WW is due to a terraforming technology that involved "changing the atomic state of chemical elements by shooting out protons and electrons using condensed streams of photons" (or however someone more fluent in English would translate this from Polish), which is the technology we are going to use to recover Earth after World War III (which is going to start in a few decades), that humans are the only race in our galaxy that does not preserve their memories during reincarnation (this ought to be a side effect of an artificial "law of Karma", and could be undone if we wish to), that there is a great disproportion between the state of our technological and spiritual advancement (again, the greatest in the galaxy), that we are in a constant danger from a few alien races that would want us dead (they're supposed to have weapons that could destroy souls -- a final death, reincarnation impossible) and Earth exploited to their benefit, that the "Galactic Union" is taking great measures to fend them off until we are able to defend ourselves, that aliens are not going to reveal themselves, because in the past such events started a few religious cults (which are the sources of religion on our planet, and that our planet is the only one on which religion ever happened -- everyone else just *knows* that reincarnation is happening, because they're *experiencing* it), and that the US government (or rather: whoever runs the government) is planning a *fake* "alien invasion", using their own half-baked UFOs to attack the Earth (and then take over all the armies of the world to "fend off" the fake attack, and then create a worldwide regime) -- as of the last one, I wouldn't be surprised -- the ground is already being prepared, see all the /. threads about surveillance, taking away our freedom, etc.

      My opinion: even if this is bullshit, every good lie has a kernel of truth in it. I'm going to sit and observe, and take action if some of the things that that (supposed) alien is claiming would turn out to be true.

    4. Re:To prove it... by tmosley · · Score: 4, Funny

      My son, I welcome you to into the fold of scientology.

      ALL HAIL XENU.

    5. Re:To prove it... by geckipede · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "My opinion: even if this is bullshit, every good lie has a kernel of truth in it." The only thing with even a ghost of truth in that is that you can measure the sun's contribution to global warming by looking at temperatures and/or reflected light from other worlds. This has been done. The sun's output is very close to constant.

    6. Re:To prove it... by avgjoe62 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Don't make me come out there and beat you with the sarcasm tag... Kids these days. Can't recognize a smart ass when they come and slap them in the face.

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    7. Re:To prove it... by sorak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How much terraforming would you have to do to remove all evidence of an advanced civilization and a world war?

      If a nuclear bomb went off in New York City, and we wanted to pretend there was nothing there, we would have to knock down every building, melt down the metal, and place it back in the ground, find some way to convert plastics back into petroleum, plant a forest over the entire city, remove all the pollution and radiation from the air, dig up every corpse and remove items such as cell-phones, watches, and anything that is not biodegradable. Now, imagine doing this, with every city in the world...

      Couldn't they come up with a simpler cover story that allowed for an advanced civilization to wipe themselves out? Honestly, my point is that, for most notions, such as this, you have to ask yourself, how much effort, control, and sheer genius would be needed to hide a secret this big, and then ask, what are the odds of someone pulling it off?

    8. Re:To prove it... by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He claimed that: the Moon is empty inside

      How does he account for the gravity?

  2. Yes, but... by verbalcontract · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yes, but what percentage of Mars was covered with buggalo?

  3. Potassium Salts by praedictus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Makes some sense to see potassium anomalies in the old basins if there was water there which has since been evaporated, with the concentration increasing toward the centres, as potassium salts are somewhat more soluble than their sodium equivalents, theyd be the last left to precipitate out. Thorium on the other hand is usually residual, at least here on Earth, and tends to concentrate along shorelines and riverbeds due its high density and low solubility.

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  4. Re:What is The Truth about Mars? by Thanshin · · Score: 3, Funny

    > The planets are getting closer to the sun, but not nearly fast enough to be interesting.

    You mean interesting as in "Hmmm, we might want to have some means of space exploration in the next century at the latest" or interesting as in "My hair is on fire! My hair is on fire!".

  5. Re:Your thinking by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Eh, whatever. Mostly it was about using the word antediluvian.

  6. Why controversial? by Tacubaruba · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Haven't we gotten past the point where the idea of Mars once having lots of water is controversial? I mean, it seems as if every new piece of evidence points in that direction, so what exactly still makes it controversial?

  7. Re:What is The Truth about Mars? by SBacks · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You mean interesting as in "Hmmm, we might want to have some means of space exploration in the next century at the latest"

    A century is a very short amount of time on the solar timeline. The Earth won't fall into the Sun for 5 billion years or so, and even then, the Sun will have lost enough mass that models predict the Earth may be flung off into deep space rather than falling into the Sun.

    The more immediate concern is that over the next 1 billion years, the luminosity of the Sun will increase about 10% or so, which should be fairly devastating to life on Earth. But, thats due to the Sun getting older, not the Earth getting closer.

  8. Re:What is The Truth about Mars? by cnettel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    At some point we have massive evaporation, which would tend to go catastrophic, i.e. Venus (water vapor is extremely potent as a greenhouse gas). A temperature above which proteins in most organisms coagulate would bring us down to archea. Photosynthesis in its current form also prefers lower temperatures. We know very little of what situations complex multicellular life can really adapt to, but we can say that Earth would no longer be within the range that we consider to be habitable when we do armchair analyses of exoplanets.

    It's not life as we know it, Jim.

  9. Weird might be a better choice than controversial by jmichaelg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The question is why Mars would have oceans then and not now. Put water on the surface today and that which doesn't freeze will evaporate due to the low atmospheric pressure. The atmospheric pressure is low because Mars doesn't have that strong a gravitational field to sustain an atmosphere. So the question becomes, how did Mars ever manage to have an ocean in the first place? It's not likely that it was more massive earlier on so it's not likely to have ever had an earth-like atmosphere that recycles the water back to the oceans. Sans gravity, you don't get a steady-state atmosphere. Sans atmosphere, you don't get to keep your water. Bottom line - it's a problem full of paradoxes. Weird.