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Psystar Antitrust Claim Against Apple Dismissed

CNet has a report that a federal judge has dismissed Psystar's antitrust suit against Apple. Observers had said that the counter-suit embodied the Mac clone-maker's best chance of prevailing and staying in business. We've been following Psystar and the dueling lawsuits since the beginning.

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  1. Re:Where's the logic? by Andy_R · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They took a gamble on how a very vague law would be interpreted by a judge. If they won, then they would have been sitting on a goldmine, having lost they will still have the paycheques they they took home each month. There was a lot of upside for hardly any downside.

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  2. Re:As much as I dislike Apple... by dssstrkl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's the problem with Apple making money using FOSS? Its not like they don't write their own code or contribute very strongly back to the community?

  3. Re:As much as I dislike Apple... by 91degrees · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Though I disagree with Apple profiting off OSS which they did not initially create

    Why not? Most tech companies do this in some way.

  4. Re:If these guys couldn't bounce back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    wtf!!! stop using subject as part of the post. you see, there is the subject, which is, you know, the subject, as in "what you are going to talk about", and then the post, the place to write down your idea. stop fucking with data and metadata.

  5. Re:As much as I dislike Apple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They're not profiting off the Free & Open Source Software that they did not initially create. You can download that bit for free, no profit for Apple. Free of charge, completely.

    What they're profiting from is the non-OSS part that they did create (or bought the rights to, in the case of the NeXT created segment) and the integration of the F/OSS that they use with their OS. That's their work and not covered by F/OSS licenses.

  6. What no one seems to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Psystar is not modifying the OS. Check the details! They are not running a cracked or modified version of OSX on their systems. What they have done is created the EFI backbone so that will allow the OS will install run nativly on it. This is no different from when IBM made their machines, and people reverse-engineered the bios to make clones.

    All apple has to get them on is that the OSX license stipulates that it MUST BE INSTALLED ON APPLE HARDWARE. This is EXACTLY the same if Microsoft turned around and said that windows can only be used on specific intel motherboard and cpu, and that only microsoft can decree what hardware is allowed to be used with it.

    These guys are going to have a rough time of it, but I home that they succeed. Apple should not be the only hardware manufacturer allowed to run OS-X, no more than microsoft should be allowed to decree that windows is not allowed to run on AMD and Gigabyte.

    We should be allowed a choice!

    1. Re:What no one seems to see... by itsdapead · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is EXACTLY the same if Microsoft turned around and said that windows can only be used on specific intel motherboard and cpu, and that only microsoft can decree what hardware is allowed to be used with it.

      So, rather like the terms under which the vast majority of Windows licenses are sold, then?

      Most new PCs come with an OEM version of Windows with a license that specifically restricts its use to the computer with which it was sold. Most "boxed" versions of Windows sold to consumers are "upgrades" which require that you have an existing copy. My employer has a Windows "site license" which entitles it to install any version of windows on its PCs but (last time I looked) only if they originally came with OEM Windows.

      The only "get out" is that Microsoft will sell you a "Full Retail" version for 2-3 times the price of the OEM/Upgrade versions which most customers buy. If Apple do lose the court case (flap, oink), one work-around might be to hike the price of OSX to, say, $500-$1000 (not without precedent for certified Unix with a full dev kit) and offer an "upgrade" to existing OS X license holders (i.e. anyone with a Mac) for $130. If someone challenges that it would set some interesting precedents for Microsoft...

      We should be allowed a choice!

      Remember that when you go to buy a netbook (like the EEE) or OLPC and find that the Borg have been round and now, somehow, the Linux versions are now (a) more expensive and (b) not in stock. Funny that. Now if Apple tried that, everybody would flame them...

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  7. Re:I wish they could win by MrMickS · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple isn't denying Pystar business by suing them on grounds of copyright violation, they are denying you the right to purchase hardware supported by another vendor to run an operating system of your choosing.

    So when it sends reports following crashes where do they go? Apple.

    When someone files feedback or some such where does that go? Apple.

    When something doesn't work as expected who gets the blame? Apple.

    Apple gets bad rep and no financial recompense from Psystar's business model. Why is this something that should be allowed?

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  8. Re:I wish they could win by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Apple gets bad rep and no financial recompense from Psystar's business model

    Unless you count the $129/sale from the boxed copy of OS X that Pystar include as a financial recompense...

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  9. Re:I'm glad they lost by crmarvin42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    your MS Xbox analogy fails.

    No it doesn't. they are both Operating Systems for running specific hardware designs. Their is only one Xbox 360 design, but if I were to go out and purchase all of the parts necessary, assemble the system, and get my hands on a copy of the OS from some hacker I could conceivably install the Xbox 360 OS on reference hardware and do the equivalent of what Pystar is doing. It would be no less illegal based on the EULA and copywrite law as it is written and enforced at the moment. That it would be more difficult to procure a copy of the installable OS doesn't invalidate my analogy.

    If anything your "Bad Car Analogy" is worse than the one I used because tires are sold and not licensed as software is. I don't particularly like that software is licensed instead of sold but that's the state of things at the moment.

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  10. Re:I wish they could win by nine-times · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And it is some level of financial recompense, but it doesn't address the question of whether it's fair recompense. The $129 number is a price subsidized by the purchase of a Mac. That's essentially the "upgrade" price. We don't know what the fully retail price of OSX would be if Apple were licensing it for use on non-Apple computers, because Apple doesn't offer those licensing terms to anyone.

    It may be that, if Apple chose to license OSX for generic PCs, they would charge $500 or $1000 per copy. We don't know.

    So in light of that, it's not clear that the $129 is sufficient for Psystar to say, "But we bought copies of OSX fair and square!"